I'm just so picky about Qes, I wouldn't consider the SWR-12D2 for pretty much anything since I like small boxes. I honestly still like the god damn Lab-12C, but it does fall show in xmax. It would have to have more magnet to maintain its SPL / Qes if xmax was to increase. Eminence, give us a Lab-12 Ultra please! 1.8ww coil, 7.5" magnet We had a prototype TC-9 exactly like that (used a 3" coil of course, not 2.5") and that thing hard with 1000 watts - pro cloth surround. About 1.8" long coil -- not expensive by most accounts.