Ricco Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just wondering which Star Trek movie gets the 5 overall score? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff L Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 23 hours ago, Ricco said: Just wondering which Star Trek movie gets the 5 overall score? Thanks 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaea Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Has anyone measured the content of the 1917 movie? Near the end there is some ominous low frequency bass. Reminds me of the Hunger Games raffle scene. Can someone measure to see what frequency range that is on 1917? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted March 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2021 I have this film, and this it how it graphs. From about 1:33 to about 1:39, there is a strong 20Hz effect, you can see it in the average and peak graphs. At one point it is encoded as hot as 108-109dB If played back at 'Reference Level'. With a real low distortion playback system, it would lend an ambience to a scene that many would find disconcerting. Low distortion 20Hz playback is rare to achieve. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ll3d00d Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 2/28/2021 at 2:28 PM, Archaea said: Has anyone measured the content of the 1917 movie? Near the end there is some ominous low frequency bass. Reminds me of the Hunger Games raffle scene. Can someone measure to see what frequency range that is on 1917? you can see it here - https://beqcatalogue.readthedocs.io/en/latest/aron7awol/59350372/ the spike is clearly visible on the heatmap view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDuke Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 Has anybody had a chance to do Shang Chi. It's getting blasted over on AVS. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ll3d00d Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, MikeDuke said: Has anybody had a chance to do Shang Chi. It's getting blasted over on AVS. Thanks https://beqcatalogue.readthedocs.io/en/latest/aron7awol/61166706/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 Shang-Chi in the theater was nothing to write home about, but it was better than Black Widow and Eternals. All the Marvel movies released this year have been rather poor, bass wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDuke Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 OK. I admit I don't know how to read that chart. I guess I will just wait a see what's it like in my room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 Left hand side is the amplitude of the digital signal (with '0' at the top being the highest it can possibly go). The bottom is the frequency. Summarizing that graph: the loudest bass is -20dB at 40Hz, and it drops fast under that (10dB lower is about half as loud to your ears, so the bass at 20Hz is over half the volume of the bass at 40Hz). So ultimately you will not be blown away by any part of the low end in Shang-Chi. It's all relatively high in the frequency range, and not all that loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDuke Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, minnjd said: Left hand side is the amplitude of the digital signal (with '0' at the top being the highest it can possibly go). The bottom is the frequency. Summarizing that graph: the loudest bass is -20dB at 40Hz, and it drops fast under that (10dB lower is about half as loud to your ears, so the bass at 20Hz is over half the volume of the bass at 40Hz). So ultimately you will not be blown away by any part of the low end in Shang-Chi. It's all relatively high in the frequency range, and not all that loud. Thanks. That's a crying shame. Hopefully my Crowson will give me something a bit more to make this a better audio experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKtheater Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 It has been a while since posting here. Almost forgot about the forum. Always use the measurements guide though. I see different levels of the graphs from avsforum, the BEQ above is pretty close to maxmercy's of 1917. Are some levels off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SME Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 There is no single "correct" way to analyze a soundtrack to create a graph. The issue of choosing the "best" parameters was discussed to a fair extent near the start of this thread. Simply put, there is no "best" nor any clear canonical choice Different parameters weigh different kinds of auditory phenomena differently. That's just how it goes. So the reason the graphs here don't match AVSForum is because they are analyzed using different parameters. As such, they aren't really comparable among each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted November 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 Oppenheimer: Level - 4 Stars (111.3dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (8Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.9dB) Execution - 3 Stars by poll. Very powerful sound, very reminiscent of the great rumbles in other Christopher Nolan films, but at the expense of clipping in every channel except the surrounds in both the 4k and 2k tracks, which appear identical. Overall - 4.25 Stars JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted December 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Transformers: Rise of the Beasts - Dolby ATMOS (7.1 DTHD bed graphed) Level - 3 Stars (108.63dB composite) Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.53dB) Execution - 3 Stars - OK track. Not great, not terrible, incorporates several effects from prior films, but does not distinguish itself much. Overall - 3.5 Stars JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKtheater Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 8:51 AM, maxmercy said: Transformers: Rise of the Beasts - Dolby ATMOS (7.1 DTHD bed graphed) Level - 3 Stars (108.63dB composite) Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.53dB) Execution - OK. Not great, not terrible, incorporates several effects from prior films, but does not distinguish itself much. Let us know what you think. JSS Welcome back! I watched the stream version on Vudu and I had to turn down the bass for this. I am not sure what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 MK, I have had very different experiences with streaming. Sometimes it just sounds 'off'. I have never measured them, though. BluRay (2k or 4k) is still the best presentation available, IMO. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klipsch Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, maxmercy said: MK, I have had very different experiences with streaming. Sometimes it just sounds 'off'. I have never measured them, though. BluRay (2k or 4k) is still the best presentation available, IMO. JSS Blu-ray is dead. Long live Blu-ray. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_ms Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 On 11/26/2023 at 2:24 AM, maxmercy said: Oppenheimer: Level - 4 Stars (111.3dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (8Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.9dB) Execution - Debatable. Very powerful sound, very reminiscent of the great rumbles in other Christopher Nolan films, but at the expense of clipping in every channel except the surrounds in both the 4k and 2k tracks, which appear identical. Let's hear some opinions on the LFE in Oppenheimer. JSS Great thread, and my first post here, I believe. Re: 'Oppenheimer,' I have the 4K UHD disc-version, though have yet to upgrade to 4K playback capability. I will eventually with my JRiver MC31-based (and AnyDVD HD + Fidelizer Pro) HTPC. However using only the regular Blu-ray disc won't impact the sound of Oppenheimer compared to the 4K ditto, as they use the same DTS-HD MA 5.1 track. I have switched off the so-called "Subclarity™" default feature in JRiver's Output format, as it seems to act as a filter/limiter of sorts. I don't have a multichannel setup - only 2 channels for stereo divided over 3 active outputs per channel for 2-way main speakers (see picture) and a pair of MicroWrecker subs of @lilmike, fitted with B&C 15TBX100 woofers. I believe the subs are tuned ~23Hz, and they're high-passed at 20Hz, 36dB/octave BW, so practically no bass info below 20Hz. They're corner mounted, flanking the mains symmetrically. Amps throughout the driver segments are two MC² Audio T2000 (top horn and subs) and one T1500 (mid bass). As indicated above I have no way to test infrasonics on my setup, but from 20-25Hz on up Oppenheimer is quite the bass beast: clean, visceral, extremely powerful bursts of bass and just an overall great sound design. Certainly from 'The Dark Knight Rises' (or even 'The Dark Knight') all of Mr. Nolan's films have fantastic bass output and quality, I find. By "quality" I mean the sound design in these lower octaves and the director's knack for a visceral and encompassing bass that spans not only the sub-sub region, but also the central to upper bass area. Needless now to say I love the bass from Nolan's films, contrary to quite a few superhero movies as of late in particular. 'Black Adam' and others just have this constantly overbearing, or rather "boomy" bass that's all over the place. Maybe that's just me and the particulars of my setup. Back again to great bass there's Mr. Gibson's 'Hacksaw Ridge' Blu-ray/4K UHD that sports a fantastic track (i.e.: the latter half of the movie, and a "tasting" in the opening scene), one of my references for bass. Those shells going off on the battleground with the combined impact from the initial detonation blast to the following "rumble off" into the lower depths is awesome. Mr. Villeneuve's 'Blade Runner 2049' comes to mind as well as a movie with a fantastic track and bass design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klipsch Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Nice horns! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted January 9 Author Report Share Posted January 9 Christopher Nolan definitely has the 'wall of bass' sound design pretty well worked out. Ever since The Dark Knight Rises, he has used the technique a lot, especially for Interstellar and Oppenheimer, but he does clip the sound at times, sometimes as an effect. The only thing that was strange about The Dark Knight Rises was the fact that the opening has a completely different and unclipped sound signature compared to the rest of the film. With your LF setup, Nolan and Ridley Scott films will be very impressive. That is a lot of SPL capability there. JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_ms Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 On 1/9/2024 at 2:17 AM, maxmercy said: Christopher Nolan definitely has the 'wall of bass' sound design pretty well worked out. Ever since The Dark Knight Rises, he has used the technique a lot, especially for Interstellar and Oppenheimer, but he does clip the sound at times, sometimes as an effect. Only had problems with 'The Dark Knight' and clipping of the sound (notable the scene involving the underground/tunnel money transport chase), but initially I guessed it that was due to how I downmix in JRiver's output format. Haven't noticed the problem in other Nolan films, but how exactly would he use clipping "for effect"? On 1/9/2024 at 2:17 AM, maxmercy said: The only thing that was strange about The Dark Knight Rises was the fact that the opening has a completely different and unclipped sound signature compared to the rest of the film. Oh, really - could you elaborate on that? To me the opening of TDKR has always felt louder somehow, certainly the music, than the rest of the movie, which seems to have a better balance, to my ears, compared to the opening. On 1/9/2024 at 2:17 AM, maxmercy said: With your LF setup, Nolan and Ridley Scott films will be very impressive. That is a lot of SPL capability there. JSS Yes, certainly Nolan's films from the TDKR and onwards, and Ridley's features strikes me as having very balanced soundtracks. 'The Last Duel' sports some great, fairly subtle LF-cues throughout, and just a great track overall. My previous SVS SB16-Ultra's went deeper than my MW's, but they fell flat compared to the fuller, smoother, more effortless and midbass agile output of the MW's that are filling out the listening room with bass to the brim. Hearing the effects of infrasonics is cool, but it takes quite the displacement to make it worthwhile and more than just an effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted January 20 Author Report Share Posted January 20 "(notable the scene involving the underground/tunnel money transport chase)" Are you talking about TDK or TDKR? I can graph the opening vs rest of film soon, I'll post it up. I thought I had in the past, but didn't. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_ms Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 On 1/20/2024 at 2:26 PM, maxmercy said: "(notable the scene involving the underground/tunnel money transport chase)" Are you talking about TDK or TDKR? TDK. On 1/20/2024 at 2:26 PM, maxmercy said: I can graph the opening vs rest of film soon, I'll post it up. I thought I had in the past, but didn't. JSS Please do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 I'll post up the clipping analysis on TDK and the change in TDKR sound next week. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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