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You know I am really surprised that Triangle is only a 4 star for level. I was sure it would easily be 5 on level. I may need to do a back to back with something that is confirmed 5 star again but I watched it the day after Looper and it seemed way more powerful than Looper. Hmmm...May need to investigate some perhaps some of my settings got messed with...

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It is only 0.23dB away from being a 5-Star....but you have to draw the line somewhere.  Most of how loud a film sounds is in the mixer's hands.  Well crafted mixes (like Drive, another 4-Star) seem louder because of what comes before and after a dynamic moment.

 

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Nothing in Triangle is really, really hot, but there are a some good scenes with effects used to set the mood.  Lots of wind or water background effects around 10-13hz that create a sense of unease.  I didn't capture those, because none of them are hotter than -30dB. 

 

However, here are some of the scenes that had more prominent effects.  Note: all timestamps are approximate.  Also, the graphs of Triangle over at AVS are way too hot for the actual content; these should be closer.

 

Beginning of the storm - 15:55-16:29

 

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More storm - 16:57-17:35

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The ship arrives - 20:32-21:12

 

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"We can change the pattern."  57:50-58:46

 

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"Stop this thing!" - 01:05:00-01:05:30.jpeg

 

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Doppelganger fight - 01:18:25-01:19:40

 

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Car crash - 01:28:40-01:29:11

 

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Nube,

Can you do the FOTP plane crash scene? The part where the plane starts to roll. I would like to compare graphs so I can see how much low end I am missing. The follows off low end is why I stopped. I have 6hz and above nailed down. My FOTP graphs were a tad hot! Looks pretty though.

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Nube,

Can you do the FOTP plane crash scene? The part where the plane starts to roll. I would like to compare graphs so I can see how much low end I am missing. The follows off low end is why I stopped. I have 6hz and above nailed down. My FOTP graphs were a tad hot! Looks pretty though.

 

Sure, no problem.  Here it is.  This is from a demo disc clip (for brevity), prolly Scubasteve's.

 

It's the 0:45-1:16 timestamp from that clip.  DTS-MA, fully digital scenecap.  Not much down low, aside from the stuff @ DC.  But, damn, even though it's not low, that one effect is nearly clipped, and Christ...it's right in the wheelhouse of every capable system.  It's LOUD and tactile for just about everybody.  Too bad it's so narrow.

 

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Thanks, it looks like I was 5 dBs too hot and I have nothing below 3hz. Those little light red blips are nonexistent on my graphs but all my graphs fall off the cliff at 3hz. Damn sound card! Until I get a new sound card I can't get the low stuff accurately but I could still help out with the list. You guys tell me what you want. I don't have a PC with a drive in it as well. All USB. All my good computers are owned by my children and my good one is at the office.

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James, that graph uses a 9dB offset to spruce up the visual representation.  Thus, it's 9dB hot if you're going by color scale.  In that case, you're 14dB hot.

 

As for graphing movie content, I strongly suggest you use the no sound card method.  It's how I'm doing it.  If, however, what you're wanting to do is compare your system's frequency response to the content on the disc, I guess you'll need the sound card.

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Superman: Unbound
(DTS-MA 5.1 Track)

Level -        1 Star (104.42)
Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)
Dynamics - 3 Stars (23.5dB)
Execution - 3 Stars - A lot left on the table. The low level hurts this mix. Pretty generic use of effects, but great extension.

Overall -     3 Stars. Could have been a lot better with higher levels, but that wouldn't salvage the movie.

Recommendation - Rent, but only if you're a huge fan of the Superman franchise.

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Great graph! That's a PvA that would seem to make a good bass film, but the green and red lines are kinda close to one another, and the green one pretty low....

 

Looks like a TV mix maybe....except no highpass.

 

Was the movie worth the 1.5-2hrs spent watching it?

 

Thanks for the contribution!

 

JSS

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Nope, it wasn't worth watching unless you're a huge fan of the franchise.  I thought the movie was really bad, but I should mentioned that I'm not a huge fan of these graphic novels-turned-cartoon-movies.  One of my workout partners is big into them, though.  Same guy who lent me Batman: Under the Red Hood passed me this one.  He loves the stuff. 

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A Good Day to Die Hard:

 

Level - 4 Stars (111.2dB)

Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)

Dynamics - 4 Stars (26.4dB)

Execution - 4 Stars - Good use of ULF, just not on par with the best of the best, IMO, and the movie was not that good.  This will be up for debate.

 

Overall - 4.25 Stars

 

Recommendation - RENT.

 

Scenecaps provided by nube:

 

Here are some SpecLab scenecaps from A Good Day to Die Hard.  The high-caliber machine gun fire gets heavy ULF treatment.  I noticed a few parts where there appears to be clipped content in the LFE channel, but it wasn't obvious to me when listening.

 

All timestamps are approximate.

 

"OK, let's go!"  0:36:25 - 0:37:05

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"Who's next?"  0:52:04 - 0:52:37

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0:52:55 - 0:53:21

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0:53:38 - 0:53:58

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0:54:30 - 0:55:30

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1:25:48 - 1:26:02

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"Yippie-kai-yay M'fkers" 1:28:32 - 1:29:44

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Big crash at the end 1:31:30 - 1:32:35

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JSS

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Jack the Giant Slayer:

 

Level - 5 Stars (112.5dB)

Extension - 2 Stars (just above 20Hz)

Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.9dB)

Execution - 5 Stars by Poll.  Sounds a lot like Thor, but without the clipping.  Good use of soft-limiting without hard clipping in this film.  Interesting take on the old story, but essentially a 30Hz film

 

Overall - 4.25 Stars

 

Recommendation - RENT.

 

 

JSS

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I can mirror what you have mentioned of 'A Good Day to Die Hard'. I am a longtime Die Hard fan and I would recommend renting it first. I liked it enough to own but probably not for others and I would admit it's the worst of the series... so far. ;)

 

Bass and 7.1 mix were outstanding though! Another good mix in 7.1, I love it! :)

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Here are some SpecLab scenecaps from A Good Day to Die Hard.  The high-caliber machine gun fire gets heavy ULF treatment.  I noticed a few parts where there appears to be clipped content in the LFE channel, but it wasn't obvious to me when listening.

 

All timestamps are approximate.

 

"OK, let's go!"  0:36:25 - 0:37:05

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"Who's next?"  0:52:04 - 0:52:37

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0:52:55 - 0:53:21

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0:53:38 - 0:53:58

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0:54:30 - 0:55:30

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1:25:48 - 1:26:02

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"Yippie-kai-yay M'fkers" 1:28:32 - 1:29:44

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Big crash at the end 1:31:30 - 1:32:35

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Thanks Nube

 

"The high-caliber machine gun fire gets heavy ULF treatment"

 

Which time-stamp graph is it? We saw Good Day to Die Hard at the local "pseudo" IMAX, but not over our home system yet.  

 

From the looks of the huge current crop of big effects block-busters, there will be a ton of up-coming yet to be released material that may lend themselves to have some interesting soundtracks. Time will tell.

 

We viewed Bullet to the Head a few nights ago. It's hard to say about the deep, bottom octave stuff, but I very much enjoyed the background music throughout. Over and over in the film, the same simple blues/rock w/bass, drums and some solid harp playing. I really enjoyed the music on this one, ... tasty stuff.

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FOH, it's actually that first graph.  It seems that anytime Bruce Willis gets a big machine gun in his hands, it's reinforced by some decent ULF.  Actually, the whole movie has a fair amount.  Unfortunately, that doesn't make up for it being a pretty poor movie. Its rewatchability ain't very high.

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Thanks for the caps!  I'll link to the appropriate post.

 

Triangle gets 4 Stars and Rent, I'll put A Good Day to Die Hard next on the poll.

 

FOH, I am with you.  This fall will be possibly the most ULF-filled BluRay season ever.  I hope Pacific Rim, Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, The Wolverine, Thor 2 and on and on don't get the highpass treatment....and please no blatant clipping.

 

JSS

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Hey Nube,

Remember you asked me why my graphs were rolling off at 7hz?  Well, I just figured out it was the processor.  I have a new one hooked and I am lower than ever and guess what, I felt it first!  I played a movie I am familiar with and had the bass 3 dBs hot and it had much more bass than the previous processor and about the same when running that 10 dBs hot.  Well, it extends to 2hz!  I will post up some graphs.  Maybe my speclab stuff won't be so bad anymore, we will see.

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