Bossobass Dave Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Guys, the reason I'm thinking the graphs Dave produces are not line level, but, instead, from the mic'd response at his LP, is because he's repeatedly said this: With that sort of response, it likely doesn't matter much, but I guess it depends on a variety of other factors. I thought there was a pretty decent amount of ULF in AGDTDH based on my digital SL caps direct from the disc. Reasonable minds can disagree. I only post mic'd speclab graphs. In the past, I've posted comparisons of the mic'd version vs the line level version off the player or AVR, but that has been only to confirm the accuracy of mic'ing my system. Here are examples, done at different times over the years, of HTTYD, HULK and BHD "Irene!", of which I did a THD analysis from the differences in spectral content: The differences are so slight as to be irrelevant for general posting, so I use the mic to save the hassle of disconnecting the sub system and running the SW out to the mic interface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossobass Dave Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Dave, What program are you using to generate images which have measurements from various images overlaid? I know it is Mac based but I'm hoping I can find something similar for windows. I use Omnigraffle. Unfortunately, the graphs are not overlaid. I pop the graphs into Omni, scale them by stretching horizontally and vertically until they are identical, then create a line with enough data points and lay it on a trace and manipulate the data points until the trace is identically mimicked. I then drag the created trace onto the other graph for comparison. If it sounds tedious, that's because it is. I'm just so familiar with Omni from creating all of the graphics for my business, sites, etc. over the years, that it's just another graphic to me. Sorry, I know nothing about W apps. You might ping LTD because I've seen him do similar work and I know he uses W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOH Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I only post mic'd speclab graphs. Gotcha, and stand corrected. I'm not concerned with your system electronics or transducers ... at either end, as your attention to detail, signal path fastidiousness, etc, is solid. I'm sure those elements aren't of concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 Looks like A Good Day to Die hard is stuck between 4 Stars and 3 Stars (??) and a solid RENT. Whoever hasn't voted, cast your ballot! JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Damn...That sounds tedious Dave. Not really worth it for what I'm attempting. Back to the drawing board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 A Good Day to Die Hard is 4 Stars and RENT. Will update and post up a new poll (Jack the Giant Slayer) today. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 GI Joe: Retaliation tonight. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOH Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 It's not said often enough, max, nube, bosso, MK, et al, as always the effort is greatly appreciated. All the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossobass Dave Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 GI Joe: Retaliation See the next post for measurements. This one is filtered. Looks to be 15 Hz, 2nd order. Even with that, the extreme low end blip at the end (see the last speclab cap) still got through, so imagine what level it was at before the filter was applied. Also, my system rolls off starting at 4 Hz, and it still shows up all the way down to 2 Hz!! That may have been why they applied a filter to the whole ST? Overall a pretty boring action yarn for me. The ST is also unremarkable, YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 Bosso/FOH, Check your PMs. GI Joe: Retaliation - it is a tremendously well produced track from a technical standpoint. No clipping found in any channel. Here are the numbers: Level - 4 Stars (110.49dB composite) Extension - 4 Stars (13Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.13dB) Execution - By Poll - My vote is 3-4 Stars. 5 years ago, this would have been near 5 Stars, but comparison to WotW, B:LA, TIH and others reveals this is not so. Also the film is bad (I simply cannot suspend disbelief when the President of the United States says 'the G.I. Joes'), the sound is good, but not great. Overall - TBA Recommendation - By Poll PvA attached. I did not find a large burst down low like you did (I modified the offset to show colors similar to yours). Everything is subject to the highpass according to my measurement. This was a BD from Redbox. Sorry for the delay, ISP troubles.... JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 Jack the Giant Slayer is in a deadlock....cast your vote! JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 Jack the Giant Slayer ends up with 5 Stars, to my surprise.....and RENT. Will update. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 Attack the Block added to poll. I'll put up Phantom and Bullet to the Head after I get a PvA for them. Cast your vote! JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 Attack the Block is in a deadlock between 4 and 5 Stars...vote! Here's an oldy but goody (for its time): Saving Private Ryan: Level - 3 Stars (107.67dB composite) Extension - 1 Star (26Hz) Dynamics - 4 Stars (26.22dB) Execution - A solid 4 Stars. Great film for its time. I think the theatrical cut had more to it than the BD.... Overall - 3 Stars. Recommendation - Buy it because it is a great film. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossobass Dave Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Bosso Check your PMs. JSS I have checked... nothing there. What's up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 What's up, indeed. How's it going, B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKtheater Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Ok, I am now subless and want to start fresh. I am going back to 7.1 and making the room ideal for my 3 front seats And especially the center seat for me. I will add bass traps to where the back surrounds were and panels on the ceiling and the whole front wall. I am also finally going to build a baffle wall and try an IB maybe. Give me some ideas and which way to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 What are your performance goals, James? It's not like anything was lacking before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nube Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Oblivion (7.1 DTS-HD MA): Level - 4 Stars (111.81dB) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 4 Stars (25.92dB) Execution - 5 Stars by poll. There's not much from 3-15Hz; most of the action is around 30Hz. It sounds pretty good, and the movie's effects make full use of the rest of the LFE bandwidth, but it's not Gary Rizzo's best mix. Overall - 4.5 Stars. Recommendation - Buy. This is an interesting scifi flick that generally gets you to suspend your disbelief, with a few decent twists. Although not without some typical Tom Cruise movie plot holes, it's gorgeously and innovatively filmed. While it likely won't win any Oscars, it's prolly worth a place in your library. PvA Scenecaps 00:09:00 - 00:09:20 00:19:06 - 00:19:13 00:27:25 - 00:27:53 00:37:16 - 00:38:25 01:12:10 - 01:12:15 01:14:00 - 01:15:30ish 01:38:11 - 01:39:13 01:39:55 - 01:40:27 01:42:55 - 01:44:20 No scenecap, but deep synth organ. 01:49:20 - 01:49:52 01:52:25 - 01:53:00 (the score's organ is really deep, again) Finale 01:55:23 - 01:56:03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKtheater Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I want to make an IB using a Baffle wall. I am worried about the wall flexing too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 Nube, Thanks for Oblivion! JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 Phantom: Level - 5 Stars (115.4dB Composite!) Extension - 5 Stars (8Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.1dB) Execution - 4 Stars by Poll Overall - 4.75 Stars Recommendation - RENT. This film is riddled by clipping. Attached is how much. Clipping is in red. Channels are L, R, C, LFE, SL, SR. Very impressive PvA, a little something for everyone in it. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
club968 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Without a doubt I believe the execution would be 5 stars on Phantom. One of the best done audio tracks in a movie, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossobass Dave Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I believe there's a new kid on the block to rival all of his predecessors... Oblivion I'll run this one by the scenes I noted in my first look, but I can just about close my eyes, select any chapter and hit play and it will be low end-loaded. Abraham, I don't know what's up with your assessment that the ST is low level. This one put a hurtin' on my room and person. The finale as I heard it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 Both waterfalls look similar. Bosso, did you pick up on the clipping in Phantom? I'll audition it this weekend.... JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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