lfe man Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Sad to see PR filtered that way : ( Could be worse than that, like 40hz hpf or something. Don't despair. We still have Elysium to look forward to.....good things rumored about that one. Hope it is a good film, too... JSS If my ulf senses were right, red 2 might be worthy to wait too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 I liked RED, didn't catch Red2 in theaters.....good stuff! JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOH Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 What I'm saying is that the center is asked to do so much (behind the center of the screen), that to get every sound that needs to be there it must be easy to overload it when mixing. JSS The first thing one learns upon getting into audio recording, mixing, at any level ... newb, enthusiast, or even as a professional; audible distortion from clipping/overload is not acceptable. It is inexplicable to me that these audibly distorted releases make it into the marketplace. I understand artistic overload for a specific effect, I get that. But these instances of heavily compressed/hard limited audibly distorted material just makes me scratch my head. ----- Yeah, the center is tasked with a heavy workload. If you want a solid playback experience in the home, it's gotta be executed properly. It really pays for it to be robustly capable and free from compression/thermal modulated effects, certainly not downsized relative to the L&R, .. if anything it needs to be more capable. Also, the wave-launch distorting diffraction and cabinet resonances that accompany most A/V furniture (not all), certainly doesn't help, and from my recent experiments is worse than I previously thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfraso Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 So what's the consensus on this (man of steel) then? It was one I was really looking forward to. Here's what I've got: I don't know what to export from SpecLab to calculate level, extension and dynamics numbers. If someone could point me in that direction, I could contribute those as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicke Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Got kontiki,croods and epic to watch this weekend guess i should save kontiki to last acc to those charts //Nicke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Well, might as well shove a port in my subs and program my mini for a 19hz HPF now. Can't hear below 20hz anyways right. So why bother with ULF. Beeeeecause there is still content that exists that has ULF and there is the umm.... future. Don't write off all ULF in movies from now on all of a sudden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 So what's the consensus on this (man of steel) then? It was one I was really looking forward to. I liked the movie so I'm still going to buy it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuxedocivic Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Beeeeecause there is still content that exists that has ULF and there is the umm.... future. Don't write off all ULF in movies from now on all of a sudden. I was just being cheeky. I wouldn't do that, but I feel a bad trend on it's way. STID really upset me. I'm not even a ST fan. But ST 1 was such a cool sound track, that I expected lots out of STID. Then to see how badly it was butchered, just makes me lose hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 The first thing one learns upon getting into audio recording, mixing, at any level ... newb, enthusiast, or even as a professional; audible distortion from clipping/overload is not acceptable. It is inexplicable to me that these audibly distorted releases make it into the marketplace. I understand artistic overload for a specific effect, I get that. But these instances of heavily compressed/hard limited audibly distorted material just makes me scratch my head. ----- Yeah, the center is tasked with a heavy workload. If you want a solid playback experience in the home, it's gotta be executed properly. It really pays for it to be robustly capable and free from compression/thermal modulated effects, certainly not downsized relative to the L&R, .. if anything it needs to be more capable. Also, the wave-launch distorting diffraction and cabinet resonances that accompany most A/V furniture (not all), certainly doesn't help, and from my recent experiments is worse than I previously thought. I bet the sound guys probably know this, but the client reigns supreme....if the director wants it louder, then that's what they get....for as much as they are artists, they also have to answer to clients, who probably sit in a space with a different freq response than at the mixing console, thereby receiving a different presentation. Executing a center channel is no easy business. Furniture and baffles can wreak havoc, and 'pulling it out away from the wall' only shifts the suckouts and problems to different freq bands.....unless the front wall is very thick absorption. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Case in point: I believe FilmMixer now mixes here: http://www.technicolor.com/sites/default/files/medialib/document/bloc_download/shp_freeform_location/technicoloratparamountefile.pdf Depending on where you sit in this room, you may hear very different presentations, with varying degrees of early reflections. Where the shot-caller is may have a distinct impact on the final product, good or bad. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 This weekend: Shaun of the Dead Watchmen And I'll update all the polls. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 Final Poll results: Inside - 4 Stars Execution and Rent Kon-Tiki - 4 Stars Execution and Buy After Earth - 4 Stars Execution and Rent The Frozen Ground - 4 Stars Execution and Rent Commando - 4 Stars Execution and Rent This is the End - 4 Stars Execution and Buy (I will have to see this one) Open Range - 4 Stars Execution and Buy I'll update the posts when I get time, and get Watchmen and SotD measured..... JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 First Post updated. Will update some polls and bump them for Jumper, Pacific Rim, The Croods, Lords of Salem, and Elektra JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Shaun of the Dead: Level - 4 Stars (110.05dB composite) Extension - 4 Stars (11Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.57dB) Execution - 4 Stars (by poll) Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - Buy The first of the Three Flavours Cornetto trilogy.....I like this film, and well done sound, I am a fan of Edgar Wright's (and his sound team's) work. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Watchmen (186min BD) Level - 4 Stars (111.10dB) Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (33.41dB) Execution - 3 Stars (by poll) Overall - 3.75 Stars Recommendation - Rent JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuxedocivic Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I've still never seen either of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Shaun of the Dead is worth renting for sure. Watchmen is interminably long, but if you are a fan of 'the dark side' of hero comics, it is pretty good. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefdvr27 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I just passed on Shaun of the dead. It is at BB in the steelbook, BR+DVD $14.99. They have quite a few titles in Steelbook if anyone stops in BB. That is if your store carries them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfraso Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Thought this was interesting. They bumped the filter down a bit, for an "extended" extended edition. Still pretty lame: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wth718 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Thought this was interesting. They bumped the filter down a bit, for an "extended" extended edition. Still pretty lame: Yeah, still weak, but a BIG difference in peak output at least. 23 dbs or so at 20 Hz if I'm reading it correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarD1981 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 From 40hz and down That looks like a massive difference, I'm pleased with that & what I was kinda hoping for. Even though the general level is low compared to some. Is that a 20hz filter? It looks a bit like the Man of steel graphs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefdvr27 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well with the recommendation to buy I went and picked up This is the end. I also scored because it came with Pineapple express for like $2 dollars more. This is the end is on deck tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Thought this was interesting. They bumped the filter down a bit, for an "extended" extended edition. Still pretty lame: The best part about this is that the peak trace from 15-25Hz is different. Hopefully that means the stone giants got a complete re-do, as well as some other scenes. It appears that it didn't just get an EQ change. It's huge mistakes like these that make me always question the 'infallibility' mystique that seems to surround the film business, when in fact, most of the bigger releases are compressed, clipped, and filtered, just like what is par for the course at iTunes.... JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantisgrant Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Anyone want to do a waterfall for Stone Giants and maybe Smaug? Hoping for a great turn around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Jesus Christ there is an even LONGER one?!?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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