maxmercy Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Measured the same way every film is measured on this thread and subforum, to have true apples/apples comparisons, and to avoid any room/system effects. I have never done mic captures for films. JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Hacksaw Ridge: Dolby ATMOS Level - 4 Stars (111.4dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 4 Stars (26.67dB) Execution - 5 Stars Overall - 4.5 Stars Notes - Terrific LF and infrasonic effects to support the action onscreen. Waterfall Graphs a few posts below. JSS 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemX Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 That's a monster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Sure sounded like one too. This sucker goes DEEP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Do we know what scene has that huge amount of <5Hz content? It would be a very rare system indeed that can do anything with it. Even with a BIG sealed system, transducers or IB the typical electronics roll off chain is going to be way down in level below 5Hz. Probably a good thing too cause look at the peak level on that at 1Hz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I don't think there's any particular scene. You look at the PvA and the average graph looks almost identical in shape to the peak graph. I think this soundtrack is a perfect case study on how to mix loud bass that still has incredible depth to it. It doesn't look like they used a HPF anywhere in the mixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemX Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Do we know what scene has that huge amount of <5Hz content? It would be a very rare system indeed that can do anything with it. Even with a BIG sealed system, transducers or IB the typical electronics roll off chain is going to be way down in level below 5Hz. Probably a good thing too cause look at the peak level on that at 1Hz! *awaits Bosso's feedback* lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeamdman Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Do we know what scene has that huge amount of <5Hz content? It would be a very rare system indeed that can do anything with it. Even with a BIG sealed system, transducers or IB the typical electronics roll off chain is going to be way down in level below 5Hz. Probably a good thing too cause look at the peak level on that at 1Hz! *awaits Bosso's feedback* lol Doesn't the dragon crash at the end of HTTYD have a lot of <5hz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Do we know what scene has that huge amount of <5Hz content? It would be a very rare system indeed that can do anything with it. Even with a BIG sealed system, transducers or IB the typical electronics roll off chain is going to be way down in level below 5Hz. Probably a good thing too cause look at the peak level on that at 1Hz! Likely lots of things, as most of the effects during the war sequences have all sorts of ULF accompanying these effects. However... I'm pretty sure it is Vince Vaughn's characters M3 grease gun that did it. There is a part at the end where he is firing it and my sub riser fluttered up and down like a mofo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 John Wick (7.1 TrueHD) Level - 3 Stars (109.38dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.5dB) Execution - 4 Stars (by poll) Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - Buy (by poll) Notes: Very solid bass. Nothing demo worthy, but just generally good. Movie was OK. Loved the scenes in the hotel and nightclub. PvA: Clearly, Nube has not watched the film. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 Top ULF moments in Hacksaw Ridge: 1:21:37 1:36:20 1:58:00 Can your system do them justice? JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Need some bass plots of those parts. What's happening during those parts, John? Damnit. Don't post this stuff while I'm at work! I can't go check. Argh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 The reason HR's sound design is so good is that there are no two explosions that sound exactly alike. Many have different fundamental freqs and almost all have a single peak or multiple peaks somewhere in the 15-100Hz range (the most impactful hits have very broad 18-80Hz 'peaks'), with or without content to <5Hz. Makes for a widely varied, explosive soundscape. JSS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Top ULF moments in Hacksaw Ridge: 1:21:37 1:36:20 1:58:00 Can your system do them justice? JSS Nope. But it does well enough for what it is . I'm guessing the first time mark is when the naval bombardment starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 Best Infrasonic HR moments (no particular order): For comparison, the Opening Naval Gunfire Salvo: The second graph is the 1Hz content. Before everyone gets into an uproar about how "nothing reaches +/-50%" on the signal trace, remember that reaching +/-100% on the signal trace is 128dB when played back at Reference Level. +/-50% is 122dB, still damned loud... Very few tracks come close to 128dB. JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 The first waterfall above probably went largely un-noticed, as there is little masking information higher in frequency and level. Only those with terrific signal chains and capability will pick up on it, much like the transformation of Hugo Weaving into Red Skull in Captain America, or the final 'coin scene' in X-Men:First Class. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kool-aid23 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just want to shout out Max/Nube/Minnjd. As much as I like the graphs on another forum, the insight along with the graphs on this forum really help me understand what the quality of bass the movie studios are producing. I hope you will continue to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemX Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Lots of crazy graphs Wuuuuuuut I know that barely anyone will be able to reproduce those, but kudos for proper sound design!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 If I get time tomorrow evening I'll get Rogue One numbers up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story-Disney/Lucasfilm DTS-HD MA 7.1 Supervising Sound Editors: Matthew Wood, Christopher Scarabosio Sound Designers: Christopher Scarabosio, David Acord Re-Recording Mixers: David Parker, Cristopher Scarabosio, Michael Semanick, Luke Dunn-Gielmuda, Tony Villafor Level: 4 Stars (111.33dB composite) Dynamics: 5 Stars (29.42dB) Extension: 3 Stars (17Hz)- LAAAME Ugh. Lot of people had high hopes for this one (me included). Well here it is. It's got some loud bass, but a major 30Hz bump is pretty much guaranteed to overpower the at times decent ULF that is present. And to no ones surprise there is clipping to be found, including some nasty flattops during the Jeddha destruction. The surrounds are spared but all three front channels and the LFE clip at -.5dBfs and clip heavily. While this is better than The Force Awakens and its -3dBfs limiter it's still a damn shame. I haven't had a chance to watch the film yet to see how bad the distortion is. Coming in after Hacksaw Ridge this mix is even more disappointing. I'll add my thought once I view the disc. P.S. As a side observation despite sharing almost the exact same sound crew as TFA, RO has a different mix philosophy regarding bass. The main channels drop of sharply at 30Hz and are actually quite flat as far as bass activity. The heavily peaked 30Hz material and pretty much all the ULF is contained in the LFE. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SME Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story-Disney/Lucasfilm ... Plus: looks like BEQ has a high chance of success, and I even wonder if the track will sound a lot better with the hump flattened. Minus: Nasty looking clipping there. But nasty looking isn't necessarily nasty sounding. We'll have to listen to judge, and each may hear something different. I've noticed that clipping is a lot less objectionable on my system now than in the past. A big problem with clipping is that it tends to have cascading effects in the playback chain, making the sound progressively worse and nastier along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 Here's what the preliminary BEQ looks like: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SME Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 You left the 30 Hz hump intact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 I broadened/flattened the hump as much as I could while still trying to add more Infrasonics, adding a touch more slam and trying to preserve the original overall PvA shape while keeping the signal from clipping. JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 9, 2017 Author Share Posted April 9, 2017 If you look at the BEQ by itself, the 'hump' doesn't look as bad: JSS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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