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  1. FOH, Very interested to hear what you have to say about TDKR. DJBM, You can add Tron:Legacy to the list of DVDs not as loud as the BD....... What is the over-under on the high-pass for this film? http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/pacificrim/ My guess is a Battleship-like 40Hz.... JSS
  2. No prob, Whenever you have time.....I still have to get a test disc and scene cap tutorial up.... JSS
  3. LeqZ is the Equivalent SPL Level with Z (zero) weighting. OSHA standards are A-weight based. RMS Peak is the highest peak is the dB reading that an SPL meter would measure with no weighting on a flat to 2Hz system. It is a way to measure films that tells you how loud overall a track is, and the highest peak, counting all freqs, esp if the PvA graph doesn't look so impressive, as with many wideband effects. JSS
  4. DareDevil is in the queue. But I have an announcement: 2012 ended with a BANG. Here's Looper: Level - 4 Stars (111.27dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (7 Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.49dB) Execution - 5 Stars - This film has it all, the sub-20Hz stuff was used sparingly and effectively, some great upper bass punch as well. it curiously looks like Underworld:Awakening, with the 28Hz spike in Avg level. I am glad 2012 rebounded with a few excellent MWBs. Overall - 4.75 Stars! Recommendation - I say Buy. This is a very unique take on time travel, and it is not just a graphics festival. JSS
  5. The Watch: Level - 3 Stars (108.29dB composite) Extension - 3 Stars (17Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (31.25dB) Execution - 4 Stars - Mainly because it was such a surprise. This film seems louder than it is because of the dynamics. It graphs a lot like Thor, 20Hz HP. Overall - 3.75 Stars Recommendation - Rent. I thought the film was horrible, but funny. JSS
  6. TDKR graph corrected. It still comes in at 4 Stars overall, with 120+dB RMS peaks on the SPL meter, and an LeqZ of 99.1dB. The Watch is up next... JSS
  7. Well, I thought there is NO WAY TDKR is that hot......so.... I was looking over my settings and it seems I may have had TDKR on too hot (didn't set my AVR speaker levels correctly prior to running the PvA), so I'll have to wait to run it again when I get it from Netflix with the proper settings. I did TDKR in a rush, while family was in town, hence the mistake. I think it will still pack a punch, but not a full 10dBHz above everything else. JSS
  8. Dredd and Hurt Locker are in the queue. This weekend no charts, but hopefully a good tutorial for creating scene-caps. Ricci, can I get more upload space? I'll PM Kyle. I have been deleting MaxMin and Dynamics graphs for each film as they age, but am starting to run out again.... There are 44 films in the queue, and the databas will be 100-strong at that point. JSS
  9. I agree on the second part, but when you see the BD version of this film, can you please comment on the overall quality of the audio? It just seemed, for lack of a better term, 'bad'......I thought it was the theater's speakers being driven way past compression, but I watched it at -12dBRef on my system (5dB of headroom above 5%THD), and it still sounded as if I was pushing the speakers too hard....I have to chalk it up to either poor technique or artistic license. I'll link bosso's scenecaps for TDKR and TASM right now. JSS
  10. Welcome reddman! The highpassing issue looks like it hits certain releases and not others, it almost seems random, but two of the biggest releases (Avengers&TDKR) were high passed, TDKR to a lesser extent. Avengers is a better sounding mix, IMO, but the highpassing took the guts out of it. MIB3 and Battleship also were high passed, but we had some good extension this year as well, TASM, TR, U:A, WotT come to mind. I really believe we got the theatrical mix for TDKR. It definitely pulls no punches, and there is not any near field mixing room has subs that can throw out 125dB that I know of. It also sounded very similar to my theatrical experience, but the addition of the ULF material in the prologue scene was great in my basement. One thing that theatrical mixes on BD have is the fact that there are hardly any theatrical LCR and Surround speakers that can go below 40Hz, and all of that gets redirected to the sub in a bass managed setup, requiring very capable subwoofer support in home. I remember discussing LF support in theaters with John Allen of HPS4000, whose horn-loaded main speakers are impressive at 109dB sensitivity, but that only dig to 40Hz with their ~45Hz tuning. The HPS4000 sub system is simply more of the same horn subs, that can reach a little lower due to mutual horn coupling. I'll see if I can dig up the conversation, but he did not have much to say about content below, noting that 35Hz and above were still 'subwoofer frequencies'. Don't get me wrong: I think his approach to headroom is awesome, and he designs systems that will have 6-8dB of headroom when asked to play at peak volumes. There is an HPS4000 theater about 3.5 hours from me, and I may check it out sometime. If he had some 15-20Hz tapped or front-loaded horns to beef up that LFE channel below the 45Hz horns it would make for the best theater systems anywhere. Mr Allen also sets up each theater with a modified X-Curve and custom acoustic treatment, and I would like to hear the difference, as I think the X-Curve to be an outdated solution to theater alignment. He has a tremendous article on his site titled 'The Mythical X-Curve'. Good reading. JSS
  11. It does have tons of ULF. Anyone else want to bump Immortals up to 4-Star execution? More 'ayes' than 'nays' will change the rating. I am on the fence on this one.... JSS
  12. I'll link the new TASM graphs to the ratings post for TASM, thanks for adding the BD content as well, Bosso! Now, for a surprise: The Dark Knight Rises: Even with corrected levels, this is still a monster. Level - 5 Stars (114.92dB!!!) Extension - 5 Stars (8Hz) Dynamics - 4 Stars (27.16dB) Execution - 3 Stars - A majority of the film is highpassed, take a look at the average graph. But note that the levels are so high that even while highpassed, a good bit of ULF is present (check the PvA graph below). The sound is done poorly in this film, bass included. One star for the highpass, one star for lack of crispness and overall 'honky' and 'compressed' sound of the track as a whole. While without doubt the loudest bass movie ever recorded, it lacks quality. I mean, does the damn score have to be blaring at nearly 95dB while dialogue is going on? Crazy. Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - Definitely Rent. This track will test any system, but could have been so much better. JSS
  13. So I will need to report a bug in REW, as it stopped recording Leq, RMS and peak levels when doing TDKR last night, and I had to restart it twice (I am using the newest Beta version, may need to get the latest stable version, this program gets better all the time!). It did record a peak of 125.1dB, when The Bat descends to EMP the multiple Tumblers, and the highest RMS level at 118.7 when the bridge was blown as James Gordon Leavitt's character is trying to get the kids over the bridge. The absolute maximum level that can be encoded on a 5.1 disc is 125.3dB. This very nearly got there. What we are seeing is definitive use of LCRS with the same signal as LFE in phase, with bass managed summing. The high pass at 30Hz serves very well to make this film SEEM louder due to ELC. In the words of Yoda: "Begun, the loudness war has" Graph tonight. JSS
  14. Damn! So I calibrated REW's SPL logger to keep track of TDKR. It uses EVERY BIT of the available signal level. I am recording RMS peaks of over 116dB and overall signal peaks of 124.7dB. Surprisingly, it extends to 20Hz in several places, but below 20 only really at high level in the intro. Bane's punches contain content down to 18Hz, so not as bad as we originally thought. This may give FOTP a run for it's money Level-wise. Graph later tonight or tomorrow. Bosso, you were right. Those peaks are insane, and they are not isolated. I did Tom Danley's fireworks, and got 105dB RMS peaks and 113dB overall peaks, when run at 0dBRef, off of Soho54's Test DVD. Crazy. JSS
  15. Also U:A scored VERY well. 2012 overall wasn't bad, but the problem was the films that were highpassed or (to me ) were mixed poorly were some of the most anticipated and also they were good overall films (Avengers, TDKR). TDKR was a similar presentation to what I saw at LieMAX. Even though LieMAX runs their sound system beyond the limit of sounding good (terrible compression and distortion which could be avoided by dialing the system back 3-4dB), the track, even when played back at lower volumes, appears to sound very strained at times. Too bad... My vote for 2012 MWB of the Year is U:A overall, with honorable mention to TR and WotT, too bad WotT was so low in level....but a twist of the volume knob can change that... I think the peak and LeqZ dB levels I will soon be able to capture for each film will shed some light....first test tonight, on TDKR. I will also run some on some Dolby Trailers... JSS
  16. This weekend will see TDKR, and if I can, the scenecap tutorial. I will add those flicks to the queue. JSS
  17. New development: I may be able to measure overall peak and Leq overall LF dB values for content by running REW at the same time as SpecLab, to better delineate films that use more broad-based, transient effects. I'll test it in the next week or so. JSS
  18. Captain America:The First Avenger Level - 3 Stars (108.58dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (7Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.41dB) Execution - 4 Stars - One star deducted for being a 30Hz mix except for one effect, good dynamics, though. Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - RENT. Good film, but not a whole lot of re-watchability in my opinion. This rating is debatable, and can be chaged. This completes the Avengers lead-up films. JSS
  19. Fight Club: Level - 4 Stars (112.3dB composite) Extension - 3 Stars (16Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (31.63dB) Execution - 4 Stars - Given its creation date, this film delivers. The rolloff below 30Hz is present, just as it was in The Matrix, and there is some clipping. Overall - 4 Stars Recommendation: BUY. This film has a lot of re-watch value, and I notice new things every time I see it... JSS
  20. FOH, The Watch is already in the queue..... Bosso, Wow. +10dB change? I have never seen that much change between BD and DVD, but I am looking at PvA, not overall dBFS levels. What AVR are you running? I run a Denon 2809Ci AVR and Sony BDP-BX2 BluRay player. See below, I found the Fight Club BD to be MUCH HOTTER than the DVD as well. JSS
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