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  1. Favorite amplifiers for bass

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    Any budget.  I'd like to know my options.  :)

     

    I've very seriously considered Dave's A14K, but I think the noise and current draws might be a bit much for my living room, sitting 6ft from the amp and running off a 20A circuit.  It's pretty much the toast of the town in its price class, from what I can tell from his specs and the info on customization.

  2. Favorite amplifiers for bass

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    I've mentioned this a few times, but I now have a little cash with which to buy a new amp.  I haven't kept up with this subject, but I've read and re-read this thread and I'm still coming up with blanks.

     

    I need a single amp with:

     

    Little/no rolloff

    Quiet/Dark/Semi-lightweight

    2x2000W @ 4Ohms RMS

    Standard plug (no 220V in my house)

     

    What are the best options?  If I could swing 2x amps, dual fan-modded EP4Ks would work (which is what I had till one died), but I don't have space for more than one amp after getting an amp for my speakers.

  5. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    Fury (5.1 DTS-HD MA)

     

    Level        - 4 Stars (111dB composite)
    Extension - 1 Star (31Hz)
    Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.14dB)

    Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

     

    Overall     - 3.5 Stars

    Recommendation - Buy (by poll)

     

    Notes:  If it weren't for that one blip at 38Hz, this would be a 1Hz movie, because of a blip at 1.5Hz.  Otherwise, it's rolled off pretty consistently from 34Hz.  Good weight to some ofthe 50cal and front tank guns, but not what you'd expect for so many explosions and such heavy equipment.

     

    I liked the movie, though.

     

    PvA:

     

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  6. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    Are you guys forgetting that the red trace, or the average, is showing precisely how much content is there?  This one rolls off steadily, albeit not as steeply as some, from 39Hz on down.  On average, there's just not much content in The Equalizer below 20Hz.  That's not interpretation, that's an analytical measure of the retail BD's content.  What's interpretation is how much we like it, which is what the execution score's for, as maxmercy said.  :)

     

    Check this out.  These were all measured with exactly the same settings.  Look at the red trace, and compare it for yourself:

     

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  7. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    Even if there's content everywhere on the graph, extension is measured at the -10dB point on either peak or average traces - whichever results in a better rating.  Been this way since the beginning.  :)

     

    I often think -10dB is too generous.  Sometimes rather inconsequential effects result in a much better rating than the movie deserves - it's rare, but it does happen. The Equalizer has two very minor (short duration, small bandwidth) effect components  of note below 15Hz that are masked by concurrent higher frequency effect components at higher levels. 

     

    In your scenecap of the tanker explosion, the 10.5Hz component is a whopping 14dB below the 54Hz component of the effects (albeit 15s later, though concurrently that 10.5Hz has a bunch from 35-60Hz to contend with).  Even the 17-19Hz components of that scene are ~11dB below the 54Hz stuff.  I'm not saying it's completely irrelevant, but it's close.  The second scenecap has essentially nothing below 15Hz.

     

    The average trace really tells the story - the mix has little content below 19Hz, on average.  If you like the movie and the bass in the mix, it's all good. But, it's not like The Equalizer's Tanker Explosion scene is in the same league as Olympus Has Fallen's Washington Monument scene, the Hulk vs. Abomination scene, the How To Train Your Dragon Dragon Crash scene, or the War of the World's Pods Emerge scene.

  10. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    Thanks for the equalizer graph.

     

    I see a spike at 11hz that looks like it is louder than anything up until 27hz, why does this get a 23hz rating?

     

    Look at the 54Hz spike (green) and the 29Hz spike (red).  It's the -10dB point on either red or green traces, whichever results in the better rating. 

     

    While only on DVD though Netflix (looks like you can buy the blu though Amazon), I would love to see the Alien Abduction DD 5.1 track measured. This track subjectively had quite a bit of loud ~10-15hz bass if I had to guess. Very curious to see it measured if you guys happen to get a chance. Thanks!

     

    I have the BR, and I'll measure the 5.1 DTS-HD MA mix in the near future.

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  11. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    The Equalizer (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

     

    Level        - 4 Stars (111.8dB composite)
    Extension - 2 Stars (23Hz)
    Dynamics - 5 Stars (31.56dB)

    Execution - 3 Stars (by poll)

     

    Overall     - 3.5 Stars

    Recommendation - Rent (by poll)

     

    Notes:  This might as well be Man on Fire 2.  That doesn't mean it's a bad movie, as it was entertaining until the very last scene which was, unlike the rest of the movie, poorly scripted, stiffly delivered, arbitrary and unnecessary.

     

    As for the bass, it's really not bad.  There's not much in the first half of the movie, but the second half ramps up in a big way.  It has the content, just rolled off, and It barely missed a 19Hz rating for extension.  Overall, it's a worthwhile movie, but not an allstar for bass unless you like midbass and droning 39Hz stuff.

     

    PvA:

     

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  14. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014) (7.1 TrueHD)

     

    Level        - 4 Stars (110.97dB composite)
    Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz)
    Dynamics - 4 Stars (25.72dB)

    Execution - 3 Stars (by poll)

     

    Overall     - 3.5 Stars

    Recommendation - Rent (by poll)

     

    Notes:  The bass was pretty poorly executed, imho.  There was some of it, and on two effects it dips below 20Hz with a slight bit of authority, but the movie is so cheesy that it was hard to watch - mostly only kids would like TMNT.

     

    PvA:

     

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  15. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    Lucy (5.1 DTS-HD MA)

     

    Level        - 2 Stars (106.45dB composite)
    Extension - 5 Stars (7Hz)
    Dynamics - 3 Stars (24.7dB)

    Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

     

    Overall     - 3.5 Stars

    Recommendation - Rent (by poll)

     

    Notes:  Pretty average action flick.  Some good bass moments, but very low levels across the entire mix.  Not at all a dynamic mix, contrary to what a bunch of review sites claim.  You'll have to bump this one +5 or so over normal to get it to really fly.

     

    PvA:

     

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  17. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    Yes, it's graphed. I'll post it on release day, but it's very similar in response to Riddick, with more level from 60-120Hz, and slightly shallower rolloff below 16Hz, plus the spike at 1.5Hz.  As Scott said, it has plenty of midbass punch, which contributes a lot.

     

    It still sounds very good and dynamic.  It's just missing that really deep weight that we logically expect big, heavy things and loud explosions to have.  The action depicted on screen has that weight in real life.

     

    If this had the gunshots of Open Range, the mechanical bass effects of B:LA, and the environmental bass effects from WOTW, combined with the mixing artistry of Marc & company, we'd have a true legendary mix.  Of course, I guess you could say the same about nearly all movies.

     

    Long story short, it's not a disappointment to anyone but the bottom dwellers around here.  B)  Ported systems will get a real workout, whereas sealed systems will be loafing along, but I think most will still like the movie and the mix.

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  18. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    I trust that Marc and his re-recording mixer cohort did not filter it, but Fury is rolled off significantly somewhere in the production chain, be it foley or effects editing, starting around 34Hz. 

     

    However, it sounds better than the last mix Marc was high on (Riddick).  You could tell most of the bass was in the upper regions we care about (30-50Hz booms), but there were occasional moments dipping to around 18Hz. 

     

    There is a lot of bass, and it's used pretty well, but it definitely does NOT convey the real feeling of those guns, mortars, bombs, and cannons.  I've heard+felt really big weapons being demoed at an Army base, and it's a huge difference in the ULF areas.  I wish  whoever is responsible for the rolled off content would have kept the bottom three octaves in the mix.  It's missing some of the realism without them.  Good mix, otherwise.  Curious that they chose 5.1 16bit lossless on the retail BR.

     

    Maybe this one will be a case for Bass EQ.  They'll just have to be careful, as there's 1 single, short blip with very significant 1-2Hz content.

  19. The Low Frequency Content Thread (films, games, music, etc)

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    The Maze Runner (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

     

    Level        - 4 Stars (110.9dB composite)
    Extension - 3 Stars (18Hz)
    Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.79dB)

    Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

     

    Overall     - 4.25 Stars

    Recommendation - Buy (by poll)

     

    Notes:  The Hunger Games in a Mutha Fuckin' Maze, aka Lord of the Flies in a Maze.  It's actually not the worst movie ever.  Plus, the content is there, just rolled off.  Fairly good use of surrounds.  Overall, right in between rent & buy for me.

     

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