Electrodynamic Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Soon we will be offering the DS4-18" subwoofer to our lineup. This design was in motion long before I decided to stop selling direct so Sundown Audio will be handling the orders for this driver (just like the HT subwoofer was). The driver should be available for shipment around April 2016 with a pre-order opened much earlier.Some quick highlights and specs:4" diameter dual 2 Ohm copper voice coils27 mm Xmax220 mm OD advanced FEA optimized triple stacked ferrite motor234 mm OD nomex spider with bolt-down ringFlat sewn-on leadsLarge 4 AWG speaker terminalsOne piece inverted dust capHigh-roll rubber surroundCast basketMagnet ID shorting ringCutout: 16.7"Mounting depth: 9.5"Weight: 50.0 lbsT/S parameters:Re: 3.9 OhmsFs: 18.7 HzQes: 0.65Qms: 2.19Qts: 0.50Le: 1.52 mHSd: 121736.4 mm^2 (18869 in^2)Vas: 270 LBL: 19.9 Mms: 561.42 gCms: 128.2 uM/NSPL; 86.1 dB 1W/1MSPL: 89.1 dB 2.83V/1MXmax: 27 mmXmech: 50 mmRMS Power: 1200 wEnclosure recommendations:Sealed: 4 ft^3Vented: 6 to 20 ft^3Price will be under $270 shipped per driver inside the lower 48 continental United States. We will offer a pre-order with a $10 discount. Pricing on this driver is aggressive so there is no room for higher discounts.Here is a picture of the rear of the driver. The driver is sitting on its face/surround in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrapladm Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Thank you for starting this thread here. Just need to have Beasts GTG posted here now and then I have no reason to go to AVS anymore:DT This looks like another great design Nick. Bravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Mods: delete this nonsense. jk Sweet driver but it won't be sweet until Klippel. Sorry I can't help myself. That guy is never going to live that down. But seriously. These looks pretty nice. I'll take them in the d4 flavor, please. kthxbai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastAudio Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I've gone ahead and modified the order of events at the g2g this weekend. First we will Klippel the ds4, the the hs24, then the hst-18 then si18, then the 2242, then the td12x, then ls-6 towers, then the jbl 308i's, then the tv speakers. I don't want a single driver in my GD house that hasn't been klippel verified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 No hot tub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL D Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I've gone ahead and modified the order of events at the g2g this weekend. First we will Klippel the ds4, the the hs24, then the hst-18 then si18, then the 2242, then the td12x, then ls-6 towers, then the jbl 308i's, then the tv speakers. I don't want a single driver in my GD house that hasn't been klippel verified... Don't forget your cell phone speakers. Last thing you want to do is find out your phone is klippel verified at 1/2 mm when Samsung promised you 3/4th mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastAudio Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ye I guess we can klippel the hot tub too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 About that whole "K" verified thing. When a manufacturer displays the "K" logo on their advertising and say that the product is "verified" it doesn't mean that the specs reported are what were measured on that German transducer interrogation thingy. That is what most would assume but what it means is that the engineers or technicians at said manufacturer are in possession of a system and are trained and certified on all 4 major test modules. Of course if you spend the big dollars to have one and get the training it likely means that you are using it during development and design to help make improvements. Who buys a super cool tech toy and doesn't have fun with it? Point is it does not mean that the xmax spec is what was measured on the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmike Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 What? Lies on the Internet? Embellished "specs" in promotional materials? That's nonsense. All manufacturers post all of their Klippel data, good bad, or otherwise, because the Internet demands it... Next, you'll tell me that my iNuke 3000 doesn't really deliver 3000 watts. Everyone knows they do. So much posting over so much nonsense. That extra 1.3 mm of "verified" x-max makes all the difference in the world with those high-power simulations (that rely on the linear extrapolation of non-linear small-signal parameters...). Sure, I'm concerned about throw and linearity, but they're not my main focus, provided they're adequate for the goals of the design at hand. If not, I chose the wrong driver. I'm far, far more worried about the moving parts hitting the stationary ones, and I can find that limit myself, no Klippel needed. "Not enough... Not enough... Too much!!!!" Back to your regularly-scheduled programming. That's a solid looking driver. All these driver options are making it hard not to punch the easy button and run a bunch of sealed subs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastAudio Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 What? Lies on the Internet? Embellished "specs" in promotional materials? I feel like a quality Lilmike GIF is in order! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlah384 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Either I suck at winisd or the DS4-18 is almost exactly equivalent to the UM18-22? ... I'm SOOOO wanting it to beat the crap out of the UM18-22 so I can justify replacing mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmike Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I feel like a quality Lilmike GIF is in order! Let's see if this works, I suck at attaching pictures here, Internet is hard. Maybe they'll work... Nope... Evidently I'm not allowed to use that image extension on this community... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Either I suck at winisd or the DS4-18 is almost exactly equivalent to the UM18-22? ... I'm SOOOO wanting it to beat the crap out of the UM18-22 so I can justify replacing mine! Then get something like the HST18 or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Let's see if this works, I suck at attaching pictures here, Internet is hard. Maybe they'll work... Nope... Evidently I'm not allowed to use that image extension on this community... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmike Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Hell, I dunno what I am doing wrong. I'm copying the link to a shared image on my Google drive, it previews fine, but I get nothing but: "You are not allowed to use that image extension on this community." as an error message when I try to post it. I've tried .jpg, .jpeg, .png, and .gif. No soup for me. Internet is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Use photobucket or imageshack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madaeel Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Does this work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmike Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Use photobucket or imageshack. Yeah yeah yeah, but then I'd have to remember yet another account and password... Internet is hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilmike Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Does this work? Showoff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madaeel Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Haha copy and paste my friend, copy and paste. I'm an idiot when it comes to all things pc so I find the easiest sites to grab em from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Yeah yeah yeah, but then I'd have to remember yet another account and password... Internet is hard... Yah. I know, right? Lol, we're totally fucking up Nick's threads. Sorry bro. YOLO, bitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrapladm Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I need to get some simulations done on this new 18 also. Still would like to build a monster dual 18 FLH someday.(BC218 like) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrodynamic Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 If you modeled it against the Ultimax 18" and saw an almost exact low end performance but with better top end performance (much lower Le) for the DS4 you modeled it correctly. The DS4 has more linear motor travel and higher thermal power handling than the UM and also costs less. Honestly we did not intend for the models to blend so close to each other but that's how it worked out. We had a price point to reach with this driver and the DS4 was/is the best we can do while meeting the price point with a 4" voice coil. Larger coil, higher Xmax, much lower inductance, almost exact deep bass extension as the UM-18 but for a lower price. Mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrapladm Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 If you modeled it against the Ultimax 18" and saw an almost exact low end performance but with better top end performance (much lower Le) for the DS4 you modeled it correctly. The DS4 has more linear motor travel and higher thermal power handling than the UM and also costs less. Honestly we did not intend for the models to blend so close to each other but that's how it worked out. We had a price point to reach with this driver and the DS4 was/is the best we can do while meeting the price point with a 4" voice coil. Larger coil, higher Xmax, much lower inductance, almost exact deep bass extension as the UM-18 but for a lower price. Mission accomplished. Nick I just hope you make enough on this new woofer for you to keep it around for a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Nick the static 1kHz Le seems to be really low on this one especially considering it is a long 4" coil. 2 layers? Inner mag shorting ring is mentioned...with a pole cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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