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  1. Thanks for the correction, AJ72. Aussie English it is. Mush mouth extravaganza. So the ultra low content is rolled off for almost the whole movie. If someone was really careful, this one might be a total monster with a BEQ solution employed. The only pitfall I see are those two unfiltered moments where there's very large 10-12Hz content. While the overall mix would benefit by having the rolloff / filter removed from the low end, any boost to those two ULF sequences would likely push a lot of folks into the danger zone.
  2. Haha so I posted the official measurements of this one over here: http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/466-mad-max-fury-road-discussion-poll/
  3. Mad Max: Fury Road (7.1 TrueHD) Level - 5 Stars (113.91dB composite) Extension - 4 Stars (11Hz) Dynamics - 3 Stars (24.28dB) Execution - 5 Stars Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - Buy Notes: Delivering everything pretty over the top, it's only fitting that Mad Max: Fury Road has lots of bass. It does not have much below 20Hz, aside from 2 scenes, and those only have a little bit of content down low. As you can see from the PvA, it drops like a rock below 28Hz. It's also not very dynamic, because of the sheer quantity of bass. I didn't think the mix was exceptional, but it does have a lot of bass. That said, you wouldn't recognize most of the sound team from a list of the heavy hitters, but many of them have been quite recognized by the Academy, so you know it's going to at least be good. The mix is clean, even though it's loud. I could only find very limited instances of flat tops in the waveforms, and no outright clipping. I never heard anything bad when watching, but the dialog could have been a lot cleaner, what with all the heavy British Aussie English (thanks AJ72) being butchered by mush-mouths on the screen. Clearly some of that was intentional, but that was my only real complaint with the movie or mix. Otherwise, it's probably the most action I've ever seen packed into what I would call a pretty good movie. It's not a great movie, but it really is good, and it is most definitely a good HT ride, even without a ton of the deep bass we crave. PvA:
  4. Mad Max: Fury Road (7.1 TrueHD) Level - 5 Stars (113.91dB composite) Extension - 4 Stars (11Hz) Dynamics - 3 Stars (24.28dB) Execution - 5 Stars Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - Buy Notes: Delivering everything pretty over the top, it's only fitting that Mad Max: Fury Road has lots of bass. It does not have much below 20Hz, aside from 2 scenes, and those only have a little bit of content down low. As you can see from the PvA, it drops like a rock below 28Hz. It's also not very dynamic, because of the sheer quantity of bass. I didn't think the mix was exceptional, but it does have a lot of bass. That said, you wouldn't recognize most of the sound team from a list of the heavy hitters, but many of them have been quite recognized by the Academy, so you know it's going to at least be good. The mix is clean, even though it's loud. I could only find very limited instances of flat tops in the waveforms, and no outright clipping. I never heard anything bad when watching, but the dialog could have been a lot cleaner, what with all the heavy British Aussie English (thanks AJ72) being butchered by mush-mouths on the screen. Clearly some of that was intentional, but that was my only real complaint with the movie or mix. Otherwise, it's probably the most action I've ever seen packed into what I would call a pretty good movie. It's not a great movie, but it really is good, and it is most definitely a good HT ride, even without a ton of the deep bass we crave. PvA:
  5. I reinstalled Windows on a new SSD a week or two ago and haven't had time to setup all the various software yet, but I'll get it going this weekend and put measurements & analysis up.
  6. I thought the bass was pretty good. The surround work was very well done, even though I don't have Atmos. Did not like the movie at all, same as the first. Just not my cup of tea.
  7. There are quite a few movies where the stats and PvA are impacted by just a scene or two. We've known that for a long time, Scott, but I don't think it creates any big problems for the methodology. The converse is also true - quiet scenes negatively impact the PvA and stats. Thus, all scenes impact the movie's scores & PvA. PvAs are just one tool in a much larger toolbox. Since that toolbox has been employed the same way across all 400ish of these movies, and since we're measuring the entire movie every time, I think that it's immaterial when considering the counting stats. Plus, there's discussion of each movie to flesh out this minutiae. You're right - a new or additional methodology could be employed to highlight this fact, and everyone here is objective enough to consider that sort of thing all of the time. But, what would the ranking system gain from doing so? That's a legit question that needs an answer anytime someone says "this system isn't perfect" or "doesn't account for this nuance in this one movie." It's not, and it doesn't, but I question whether or not it needs to. If, for a majority of the movies measured here, someone can answer that question of how the ranking would benefit, I and everyone else would welcome the addition or change! If someone can come up with a recommendation that highlights a glaring deficiency in the system, and substantively fixes it, please do! The system has already been changed and tweaked several times, so you all should know that nobody here is averse to the possibility. I'm going to guess that this is a pretty solid bass movie, but, really, people start to split hairs because they can - and I'm totally good with it. There's just not a whole lot of difference in quality or quantity from 4.5 stars and up - they're all very solid. Beyond that, it's mostly people's rooms, systems, and preferences accounting for the subjective differences in the experience.
  8. Insurgent (7.1 TrueHD) Level - 4 Stars (110.41dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (29.08dB) Execution - 4 Stars Overall - 4.5 Stars Recommendation - Buy Notes: I haven't watched it yet. But, from watching the measurements, all effects are steeply rolled off from 20Hz for the first 3/4 of the movie. Then, out of NOWHERE in the last quarter of the flick, all the effects magically become full bandwidth. It's like they used a different foley for the last bit, or changed sound effects editors or something. PvA:
  9. Insurgent (7.1 TrueHD) Level - 4 Stars (110.41dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (29.08dB) Execution - 4 Stars Overall - 4.5 Stars Recommendation - Buy Notes: I haven't watched it yet. But, from watching the measurements, all effects are steeply rolled off from 20Hz for the first 3/4 of the movie. Then, out of NOWHERE in the last quarter of the flick, all the effects magically become full bandwidth. It's like they used a different foley for the last bit, or changed sound effects editors or something. PvA:
  10. rgdeuce, you might have a room mode at or around 30Hz which prevents you from hearing the great bass in that first graphed scene. Or it might be something else, but I highly doubt it's your discs. I'm sure a fair number of the community buy their discs at Walmart, and I don't recall anyone claiming they're selling neutered and, more importantly, different mixes from all other BR retailers. I'd say, since it's so few discs you've experienced issues with, it's something unique to your system. I'd also say it's probably not worth worrying too much about, BUT, since you did post about it, measure your room response and see if that's it. All you need is a USB mic, a laptop, and REW.
  11. Perhaps this is the issue, Scott & Andy. I might be wrong but, If you look at the below screenshot, the cursor is overtop the 65-67Hz tone in an area that, according to the color palette, should be somewhere between -30 and -45dBFS, but the cursor reports -73dBFS. If that's correct, which I think it is, something in Andy's settings is adding a LOT to the actual signal dBFS. That would account for a lot of what has been shown.
  12. Look again. The graphic is wrong (old testing methodology), but the numbers are correct if you scroll down. 3 Stars for level. http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/12-the-low-frequency-content-thread-films-games-music-etc/page-11#entry323
  13. Children of Men (5.1 DTS-HD MA) Level - 3 Stars (109.04dB composite) Extension - 4 Stars (14.5Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (36.47dB) Execution - 4 Stars Overall - 4 Stars Recommendation - Buy Notes: Huge dynamics really make the bass content in this sound a lot bigger than it is. It's not super deep, being rolled off steadily from the mid-30s. I really like this movie. PvA:
  14. Children of Men (5.1 DTS-HD MA) Level - 3 Stars (109.04dB composite) Extension - 4 Stars (14.5Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (36.47dB) Execution - 4 Stars Overall - 4 Stars Recommendation - Buy Notes: Huge dynamics really make the bass content in this sound a lot bigger than it is. It's not super deep, being rolled off steadily from the mid-30s. I really like this movie. PvA:
  15. Ex Machina (5.1 DTS-HD MA) Level - 3 Stars (108.03dB composite) Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (33.88dB) Execution - 2 Stars Overall - 3.25 Stars Recommendation - Rent Notes: There are very few bass moments - heck, very few action moments in this one. That's why it has such good dynamics. However, it has almost nothing below the 27Hz spike besides a couple effects. I liked the movie, although many of the emotional components were tenuous, at best. PvA:
  16. Ex Machina (5.1 DTS-HD MA) Level - 3 Stars (108.03dB composite) Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (33.88dB) Execution - 2 Stars Overall - 3.25 Stars Recommendation - Rent Notes: There are very few bass moments - heck, very few action moments in this one. That's why it has such good dynamics. However, it has almost nothing below the 27Hz spike besides a couple effects. I liked the movie, although many of the emotional components were tenuous, at best. PvA:
  17. Chappie (7.1 DTS-HD MA) Level - 3 Stars (109.67dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.57dB) Execution - 4 Stars Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - Rent Notes: Tons of stuff down low. While much of it is near DC, about half of the big single effects have a component below 10Hz, and many of them significant. Decent movie, not great, but I really thought the surround work was excellent. PvA:
  18. Chappie (7.1 DTS-HD MA) Level - 3 Stars (109.67dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.57dB) Execution - 4 Stars Overall - 4.25 Stars Recommendation - Rent Notes: Tons of stuff down low. While much of it is near DC, about half of the big single effects have a component below 10Hz, and many of them significant. Decent movie, not great, but I really thought the surround work was excellent. PvA:
  19. I cannot believe more people haven't seen this one. It's definitely my bass movie of the year so far, and it's not even close. This is what Master & Commander (DTS-ES) should have been, although I will say that the first salvo in M&C might have better sound design, but just the first salvo.
  20. Yessir. That's one approach. Purists might not like it if they want to reproduce the mix exactly as the mixers intended, but it's all about finding what works for you. I've been slacking a little on the polls because 1) not enough votes to kill the ties on some (VOTE, PLEASE!); 2) lots of family was in town recently so I haven't had much time; and 3) I've been working overtime to be able to go away to Telluride this weekend. Long story short, things will be back to situation:normal next week, and I'll start retiring old polls and putting up some new ones. I'll also take some time to analyze the waveforms on a couple of movies in question. I might even watch them as well, if given enough time! Happy Independence Day!
  21. If you look at the Google docs spreadsheet linked from the top of the first page on this thread, there's a tab called "To Be Posted." It's on there. Lots of movies, not a whole lot of time, and people have to vote on them or they languish without being resolved. I can't post more if I can't get the existing ones off the board (looking at the MI polls).
  22. I don't really have a dog in this fight, and I don't have a ton of high end audio experience, but my ears are very sensitive. With exactly the same signal chain, room, and amplification, my 2-way SEOS + AE TD12X ported towers with upgraded xo parts (thanks, tux! ) have infinitely more headroom AND significantly better sound quality at medium/high volume levels than my buddy Pete's pair of B&W 802. I mean, it's not even close. The SEOS puts the Black & Whites to shame. The tweeters in those just cannot do reference level or even close without audibly distorting, while the SEOS is just loafing along and sounding spectacular. It's such a disparity that he decided to go horns himself and build some big 7Pi with the midhorns. He's got the XO components, the horns, the CDs, and the 2226s so far. Now he just needs to build 'em.
  23. Madaeel, That's weird in your scenecap that the 20Hz tone is +8dB or more above the 6Hz tone. Here's yours: And here's mine taken from the disc:
  24. The Haunting is one of those fewer-than-a-handful of bass movies with verifiably different mixes across different tracks & formats. Master & Commander is another. I'm hard pressed to come up with others at the moment. On another subject, I just saw Jurassic World (2d) at a Regal RPX theater. The experience was great aside from one really big problem - their QSC SB-15121 subs had either a ground loop hum or an amp issue. The entire time we were in the auditorium, from before the previews through the credits, there was a significantly audible 25Hz hum. It never varied in frequency or SPL, but man was it distracting. It wasn't just my girlfriend and I that could hear it - everyone around us could, and it even made the granny sitting next to me queasy. Why the hell wouldn't Regal notice that and fix it in their premiere auditorium? Tickets were a ridiculous $16 apiece. /boggle. No wonder we never goto the movies.
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