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#21 lilmike

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 08:52 PM

Wouldn't say "running" just yet, but certainly a brisk walk.

 

Like I said though, WAY better than nothing. I missed my bass.

 

The theater? It is coming together, but finishing is still a ways out yet. I just cut a theater wall open to deal with the aftermath of a leaky washing machine. Thankfully no real damage other than moldy drywall, still sucks to have to cut a brand new wall open.


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Posted 08 April 2016 - 09:05 PM

Glad to have you back, Mike. :)

 

I'm sure it feels good to have a system again.


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#23 minnjd

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 02:55 PM

So here's some screencaps.  Probably not the best......But it shows strong content down to almost 10Hz with occasional full band transients.

 

Ren interrogates Poe Dameron

 

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Starkiller base fires it's weapon:

 

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Hosnian System destroyed:

 

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Ren catches Rey in the woods:

 

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And finally, Ren's interrogation of Rey.  It's the second part where Rey starts to push back:

 

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 06:41 PM

Looks great, nothing like the worst-case scenario predictions.

 

And thanks for the review that actually has value compared to the other "official" ones out there on other sites.

 

Now I wonder if it is possible to buy it..


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#25 Kvalsvoll

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 03:48 PM

No, it is not available.

 

Which means NO BUY - opportunity lost.

 

Because I don't need this movie.

I would buy it, if it was easy and convenient to buy NOW, perhaps there are some nice demo scenes in it as well.

Instead, I downloaded some new demo clips from demo-world yesterday, found a new Atmos-demo, and the Auro-3D - and some more.

The money saved will go into some new hiking shoes.

 

The disaster here is that a lot of other people will think like this, and that is really bad for business, because they will not buy expensive and great sound systems if they go out hiking instead of watching movies.


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Posted 10 April 2016 - 04:38 PM

So here's some screencaps.  Probably not the best......But it shows strong content down to almost 10Hz with occasional full band transients.

 

 

Did you get a screencap of when Kylo uses the force to stop and hold the blaster bolt around 7 min mark? As the camera pans past the bolt it sounded pretty good, not as good as the interrogation force moves but still good enough..



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Posted 10 April 2016 - 08:47 PM

BEQ Correction (implement prior to AVR, with HTPC software or nanoAVR):

 

LCRS:

 

1. Low shelf - 15Hz, Slope 1 (Q of 0.707), Gain +6dB

2. Low Shelf - 15Hz, Slope 1 (Q of 0.707), Gain +3dB

3. Parametric EQ - 85Hz, Q 1.12 (Bandwidth 1.25 Octaves), Gain +4dB

4. Overall Gain -7dB

 

LFE:

1. Low Shelf - 15Hz, Slope 1, (Q of 0.707), Gain +6dB

2. Low Shelf - 15Hz, Slope 1, (Q of 0.707), Gain +6dB

3. Low Shelf - 15Hz, Slope 1, (Q of 0.707), Gain +3dB

4. Parametric EQ - 70Hz, Q 1.12 (Bandwidth 1.25 Octaves), Gain +4dB

5. Overall Gain -7dB.

 

These changes will mean that Reference Level playback will occur at +7dBMV.  The track does not reach over 126.5dB peak level at this level of playback, and max RMS level is 119dB (over 1/8th sec), so if your system can handle Reference Level with very demanding material, it can handle this track at +7dBMV, provided your AVR does not clip the signal.

 

The track gains over a dB in Dynamics, Extension and Level become 5-Star Level if played back at +7dB from your typical listening level.  DO NOT add a house curve to this unless you know your system can handle it.  Adding a steep house curve will bloat the midbass and the score will sound unnatural.  This BEQ assumes a gentle (if any) house curve, maximum of -6 to -10dB downslope from 20Hz to 20kHz, with no aggressive slope-up in the midbass region.

 

JSS

 

Greetings,

 

Thanks for your work.  Will the gain in dB in Dynamics, Extension, and Level be had with the +7dB even without the BEQ adjustments?

 

Respects,



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Posted 10 April 2016 - 09:38 PM

If you playback the original soundtrack at +7dBRef, it will go up in Level, but not in Dynamics and Extension.  With the BEQ solution, you playback at +7dBRef to have dialogue at the same level as Ref (need to make headroom for the changes).  With the changes, Level goes up just a bit, and it just meets 5-Star.  Dynamics go up by over 1dB, and Extension is truly down to 1Hz.

 

BEQ is changing the FR curve of the entire soundtrack.  The +7dB is only to make headroom to do so.  If the BEQ track is played back at +7dBRef, it NEVER reaches a 7.1 WCS (128dB peak), but it does have one peak that is 126.5dB.  It also never asks for a sustained tone of more than 119dB, but plenty just below that.

 

You need to ensure your system does not clip and can handle this before you try BEQ at equivalent Reference Level.  If your system cannot handle the EoT intro with ease at Ref, do not play this back at +7dB.

 

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#29 Audiofan1

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 07:54 PM

Definitely a 5 on the bass! but there is a bit clipping on the overall mix but as noted not to the likes of STID.



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 11:58 PM

I watched both Star Trek reboot (2009) and Star Wars Force Awakens within the same week.  No question - I personally enjoyed the bass more on the Star Wars movie.  The Kylo Ren interrogation scenes were especially fun with nearfield sealed subs!  I knew there was sub 20hz content by feel, before I ever read about it.  I only get that sensation off the nearfield sealed subs.

 

5 star for the bass by my vote.  B+ on the movie itself.



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Posted 12 April 2016 - 12:37 PM

Have this waiting for me at home. Gives me something to look forward too. My mom was pregnant with me when she and my dad went to go see A New Hope.

#32 MikeDuke

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Posted 12 April 2016 - 03:17 PM

I will say 5 for the bass.  I enjoyed it very much.  But, I know this is not bass related, Kylo-Ren's voice with his mask on did not sound good to me.  Every other effect was fine . But I liked the sound track as a whole.  Besides his voice, which sounded distorted (could have been on purpose), I like the mix and thought it was good.  It was better than some of the ones that clip in a major way.



#33 Electrodynamic

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 01:10 AM

I liked the movie. Nicely done and I'm not a big Star Wars fan. I've always liked the movies but I don't own any of them. However, I do own this one. I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of low end and the extension. I had my long time friend who loves Star Wars come over and he kept looking over at me smiling and saying "holy crap dude!" every time there was a good amount of bass in a scene. Two thumbs way up on this one. :)


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 09:23 PM

Really impressed with this track. Didn't think a lot about it at the theater the first time I saw it. Thought it sounded better the second time in a different theater. But, sounded nothing like it does in my HT. Really well done.
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Posted 25 April 2016 - 09:39 PM

Do you guys know about the compression in the center channel?

http://forum.blu-ray...;postcount=6786

Really tired of home mixes downgrading SQ from theatrical version. Why not have both on this disc?
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Posted 26 April 2016 - 03:28 AM

The brick-wall limiting was reported here in the first post of this thread, among other places.  The image on that forum appears to provide an example of such limiting.  What I don't see in that post is actual data from the theatrical track to support the claim being made.  I would not be surprised to learn that the limiting is a "feature" exclusive to the home release, but I'd like to see some real evidence.  Indeed, I'd also like to see how the loudness compares, or at least the average levels.



#37 minnjd

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Posted 26 April 2016 - 03:55 AM

The biggest difference I noticed is that the dynamic range on the Blu-Ray is quite a bit narrower.  The theatrical viewing I saw ranged from comfortable level dialog scenes to almost rock concert levels during some of the big action effects.  However, I have strictly consumer level stuff in my HT so that might have something to do with the lack of range.

 

I suppose it is possible that they slapped this limiter on the home release in order to cheaply reduce the dynamic range, and assumed (correctly of course), that most purchasers do not have high enough fidelity of playback to notice the clipping (AKA the soundbar crowd).  I have a hard time believing that they would clip the signal this bad in the theatrical track, as the distortion would be pretty obvious at the volume level movies are run at.



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Posted 27 April 2016 - 05:30 AM

While I'm totally inclined to believe that the BD is dynamically crushed relative to the theatrical track, I'd love to see data if it were available.  It's weird though.  Lots of people here have said it's actually a nice soundtrack to listen to apart from a few obvious places where things got pushed too hard into the brick wall limiter, a soundtrack that is well above average at the very least.  What does this say about the sound quality of the average BD release?

 

Anyone heard about this:  http://variety.com/2...ive-1201725168/

 

Assuming the business idea comes to light at all (discussions with studios are apparently on-going) I wouldn't be surprised if they delivered something closer to the DCP release, which means the soundtrack may be more likely to be the theatrical one, even if a near-field one was made.  For those of us with nice systems and a few friends that can share the $50 fee, it's kind of a no-brainer vs. going to the movie theater.  On the downside, the anti-piracy protections are likely to make it impossible to retain the movie or the soundtrack beyond the viewing period, something like a day or two.  If you want to watch it again, you may be stuck with the BD or a stream with a near-field mix.



#39 minnjd

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 01:14 PM

Well it is a nice soundtrack but it's not at all uncommon for the dynamic range of a typical home release to be restricted compared to a theatrical track.  That doesn't necessarily mean the quality suffers, especially if the compression is done right.

 

Not saying that TFA was done 'right' (we don't know where the home mix came from), but it's still above average in surround usage and low frequency variety.  So many action movies throw that generic BOOM on explosions and they all end up sounding the same (Spectre), whereas TFA throws a lot of different LFE effects in.  it reminded me a lot of Jupiter Ascending in that regard (although as a movie TFA is a lot better than JA).



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Posted 27 April 2016 - 06:11 PM

 it reminded me a lot of Jupiter Ascending in that regard (although as a movie TFA is a lot better than JA).

 

I had to sit being deafened in the front row to watch JA - honestly, enough with the excessively long and loud action scenes, and the lack of actual plot...  lol

 

I will buy it when it is super-cheap - it does not warrant paying even half price for! :D






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