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#621 maxmercy

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:26 AM

Full BW effects simply don't give good 'Level' ratings with the current rating scheme. This is why I am including ZRMS, LeqZ, and ZPeak dB numbers. Brave comes in at 118.9dB ZRMS Peak. That's second only to TDKR. I think once I can get Z-weighted dB levels for all the films, we can re-do the Level Star Rating to be based on the Z-weighted dB numbers....

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HALO4:Forward Unto Dawn:

Level - 3 Stars (107.71dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (6Hz)
Dynamics - 4 Stars (25.59dB)
Execution - A lot of cheese to sift through, but well done bass when it counted, and they saved the best for last. 4 Stars.

Overall - 4 Stars

Recommendation - Rent. Bad acting, not so good storyline, but if you are a HALO fan, worth a watch.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:04 AM

Thanks for graphing HFUD. Thought it had some nice effects.

As for the poll, unless someone's a diehard Halo fan, I'd recommend only a rental.
As far as execution goes, there's not too much going on in the first 60-70% of the movie. It's the last 25-30% that brings the bass, and as I mentioned when I recommended checking it out, more audio mixers should consider bass like this (or more) for big objects walking around. I voted for 4-star because what's there is done decently, but the movie doesn't have much of it till you get nearer the end.

Even in the TF series, they had some scenes with nice bass for the big ass robots stomping around, but other scenes where the robots suddenly lost 'weight'. Same goes for WOTW, those gigantic tripods should be causing ground tremors at every step, but that only happens in a few scenes.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:55 PM

The scene where the witches house blows up is a full BW spread, high output effect to rival any I've experienced. I know it's just one scene in the movie, but it has me scratching my head on the 2 star level rating...

 

I'm with you on Brave, superbly crafted, quite enjoyable.

 

These animated/CG releases just don't get the love from many of the LF/ULF enthusiasts. When Joe Six-Pack/ "12 inch drivers are faster than any 18" sits down to enjoy his two hour movie time, the Pixar stuff just doesn't make the cut. I mean he's looking for the un-rated, directors cut with gun-play, drugs and explosions, Tarantino-esque inter-woven storylines, full frontal Sharon Stone style/grill on grill cooking.

 

So, staring at the Family Video shelf, there's Brave right by Bullet to the Head/Un-Rated Directors Cut, just it ain't happenin'  :mellow:  

 

All kidding aside, Brave really is well executed. Randy Thom, doing what he does. An entirely immersive experience.

 

Last weekend we enjoyed Flight, suprisingly good to me. I'd not seen much promo at all except the premise. Well cast, spot on w/Goodman, Washington, and after the film credits began rolling, thinking to myself how nice the sound was (some tasty rock-n-roll), there it was; Sound by Randy Thom.  

Good film.  



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:53 PM

DAAAVVVEEE!! Glad to see you're back and doing well. :)

 

Dude, nice upgrade! Still projector though, huh? ;) Those Mitsu DLP's look suhweet though. I see you got a dual-Raven, dual-Blackbird system. Rockin'. What is that I spy on top of the BB? :D

 

I really like the new seating. That type of chair and the style of your riser is almost exactly what I want to do in my room but I'm not sure if I'll have the room or not for a second row with a riser.

 

Still.... looking good and glad you're back.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:45 AM

Lord of the Rings:The Fellowship of the Ring, BluRay Extended Edition: (6.1 DTS-HD MA)

Level - 5 Stars (111.9db composite)
Extension - 3 Stars (19Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (29.05dB)
Execution - 4 Stars - I remember more ULF in the DVD DTS-ES versions, I may run a comparo. I seriously hope this isn't the case of another M&C. But I do remember The Two Towers being the ULF king of these three films. For the time (2001), tremendously well done.

Overall - A very respectable 4.25 Stars

Recommendation - RENT. I will have to compare the DVD Extended to this edition, to see if a low-shelf attenuation was done, but either is a good addition to a collection.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:03 AM

Wow, I just added it up:

 

Over 75 films PvA graphed!

 

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:10 PM

Sorry for my disappearance, <snip>  I decided to give the listening space a facelift.

 

Hey, glad to see you back. Nice upgrades, love the colored lighting :D

 

Do you get a bad ceiling reflection suckout from your new center speaker locations?



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:28 PM

Wow, I just added it up:

 

Over 75 films PvA graphed!

 

JSS

 

 

Wow. Nice! You're on a roll doing some serious graphing. :)



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:59 PM

 
The scene where the witches house blows up is a full BW spread, high output effect to rival any I've experienced. I know it's just one scene in the movie, but it has me scratching my head on the 2 star level rating...


Man I've been saving this movie and now this has me excited. I was watching a clip of this at Ethan's house and I couldn't believe how good the visuals were and now to hear the audio is every bit as good just makes me that much happier I saved it for when the theater is done.

I'm with you on Brave, superbly crafted, quite enjoyable.
 
These animated/CG releases just don't get the love from many of the LF/ULF enthusiasts. When Joe Six-Pack/ "12 inch drivers are faster than any 18" sits down to enjoy his two hour movie time, the Pixar stuff just doesn't make the cut. I mean he's looking for the un-rated, directors cut with gun-play, drugs and explosions, Tarantino-esque inter-woven storylines, full frontal Sharon Stone style/grill on grill cooking.
 
So, staring at the Family Video shelf, there's Brave right by Bullet to the Head/Un-Rated Directors Cut, just it ain't happenin'  :mellow:  
 
All kidding aside, Brave really is well executed. Randy Thom, doing what he does. An entirely immersive experience.
 
Last weekend we enjoyed Flight, suprisingly good to me. I'd not seen much promo at all except the premise. Well cast, spot on w/Goodman, Washington, and after the film credits began rolling, thinking to myself how nice the sound was (some tasty rock-n-roll), there it was; Sound by Randy Thom.  
Good film.  


I agree with this as most adults see these as "kid movies". I know a lot of my friends take their kids to see them and usually enjoy the movie themselves. They just don't have the A/V gear to really appreciate what these movies are capable of or realize that these movies are designed for everyone to enjoy. The time and effort put into them is simply amazing and that's why some of my favorite movies are CG movies with HTTYD at the top of the list. Now I'm hoping Brave shares that spot. The funny thing is my mom and dad love these movies and actually will come over just to watch them on a larger screen and in surround. Actually my dad enjoys CG movies more then any other type. My mom is into any type and is a Star Wars fanatic. Gotta love em.

I heard flight was a good movie from a couple people and now this is just the icing on the cake. Thanks for the heads up on the sound.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

Wow, I just added it up:
 
Over 75 films PvA graphed!
 
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You're a beast Max. Thanks again for all the time and work you put into this. I promise as soon as I'm done with the theater and have everything dialed in, hopefully in like 4 months, I'll help with the graphs.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:18 PM

My mom is into any type and is a Star Wars fanatic.

THIS IS AWESOME.

I can't wait personally for Wreck-it Ralph.....and Flight is in the queue.

It would be great if you could contribute scenecaps!

I will also develop a PvA tutorial over time, so others can contribute those as well, I have developed an easier-to-employ roll off correction function.

BTW - JapanDave has been putting in some overtime for the thread generating a tremendous Excel spreadsheet that will make graphing PvAs very easy.

Eventually I want to change the 'Level' category to only be based on the Z-weighted SPL captures from REW. That way movies like Brave will get the 5-Stars they deserve for Level. There will be a tutorial for this as well, eventually, so folks can contribute in one of three ways in the future.

Things here have to slow down for a while. I may get to graph a movie or two a week, but not the six I could do in the past, have to study for board exams. Things will kick into high gear late April/early May.

The queue is only 35 deep at the moment, so by late summer it should be caught up.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 02:16 AM

THIS IS AWESOME.
I can't wait personally for Wreck-it Ralph.....and Flight is in the queue.
It would be great if you could contribute scenecaps!
I will also develop a PvA tutorial over time, so others can contribute those as well, I have developed an easier-to-employ roll off correction function.
BTW - JapanDave has been putting in some overtime for the thread generating a tremendous Excel spreadsheet that will make graphing PvAs very easy.
Eventually I want to change the 'Level' category to only be based on the Z-weighted SPL captures from REW. That way movies like Brave will get the 5-Stars they deserve for Level. There will be a tutorial for this as well, eventually, so folks can contribute in one of three ways in the future.
Things here have to slow down for a while. I may get to graph a movie or two a week, but not the six I could do in the past, have to study for board exams. Things will kick into high gear late April/early May.
The queue is only 35 deep at the moment, so by late summer it should be caught up.
JSS


Thanks Max yah she is pretty awesome. She also listens LOUD. We watched Planet of the Apes when it came out and we were watching at -8MV and I asked if it was too loud and she said "nope, you can turn it up louder if you want". My sister is the same way. At least I know where we get it from.

Forgot about Wreck-it-Ralph. I'll watch it regardless of the bass it would just be amazing if it has anything close to some of the other heavy hitters.

I will definitely do some screen caps. I figure between you, Dave, and my bro I can figure it out. That's great news JapanDave is making it easier though. Thank you JapanDave!



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:04 AM

Max I gotta say it again, thanks for all the work. 75 already  :o you are a f'in trooper. 

 

It's looking Very Nice Dave. I see a lot of your movie collection getting another spin real soon.  B)

 

I watched Brave in a Dolby Atmos theater and was in awe. Seeing Randy was involved and has the bandwidth I am going to pick it up. I have taken the CGI plunge, still trying to get the wife on board. Thanks for the heads up on Flight, going to check it out.

 

Any you guys spun Skyfall yet? I thought it had great dynamics and a few mood setting scenes. Look forward to the results.

 

Love the thread and Data-bass! 



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:40 AM

Skyfall tomorrow.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:14 AM

Hey guys,Gary Rydstrom is the sound designer for Brave and Wreck it ralph not Randy thom,Randy will be doing Epic,The croods for 2013,watched httyd again after replacing my amp for the inframoduls and i just love that movie,its filled with lowend/infrabas everywhere : ) doors closing,fly overs and plenty moore,my favorit demo movie so far.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:19 PM

Skyfall:

 

Level - 5 Stars (113.96dB composite)

Extension - 4 Stars (12Hz)

Dynamics - 5 Stars (29.59dB)

Execution - 5 Stars by poll.

 

Overall - 4.75 Stars - The IMAX Digital I saw this film in horribly distorted the audio, just like every IMAX digital presentation I have ever heard.  Curiously, IMAX Digital uses Audyssey MultEQ XT to set EQ.  IIRC, Audyssey allows a 9dB boost.  NO cinema I have ever been in has played reference without easily audible compression or distortion, so allowing a 9dB boost anywhere in such a system is a recipe for disaster.  That being said, the local True IMAX has terrific sound that sounds very good, and is usually played within it's limits.  I think they play around 3-5dB below reference, though, or have that much headroom that it could be just as loud, just distortion-free.

 

There appears to be a low shelf applied to the film that appears to limit the 6Hz rotor beat of a helicopter in the film, or maybe it was just applied to that effect, so no BlackHawk Down scene here.

 

After viewing, I really like this mix, but it does clip.  While I would personally give it 4 Stars, I can easily see why people would give it 5.  Amazing how good a soundtrack can sound when played within a system's limits....I just wish mixers would use the medium's limits as well...

 

Recommendation - Buy.  Terrific Bond film, good replay-ability.  I have liked the reboot of Bond since Casino Royale.  Tougher, grittier.

 

 

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Thanks to MKTheater, here are some scenecaps of the final battle:
 

Tanks blowing up and helicopter crashing into house

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More grenade and helicopter

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Next grenade and heli flying in background

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First grenade

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Helicopter flying to the house playing music

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 04:27 AM

OK, after a quick test, it seems my photobucket links are not working. Until I get it figured out, I'll temp use this other hosting site...

 

Here's

 

Brave

 

 

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Interesting. Only one of the links worked.

 

I have LOTR trilogy done and updates for several others, but not gonna go through the hassle until I know why these links aren't working. Maybe I'm the only one these links aren't working for? Can anyone else see the pics? Any help would be appreciated.



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:30 AM

Bosso,can only see one pic and guess its when the kettle explodes,typical a gary rydstrom thing check nemo when darla tapping tank,high peak @ ~30Hz very nice though : )

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:11 AM

Yah I only see one too Dave.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:44 AM

I,too,only see one.

 

@bosso and the mods.

The image app on the task bar is not working.It displays the following message:

 

http://<span><img sr...ps3a97"></span>

 

Instead if you use the link app you can post pics from photobucket or other hosting sites like I did above.

 

Therefor your images of Brave should be these:

 

http://<span><img sr...79.png"></span>

 

http://<span><img sr...90.png"></span>

 

http://<span><img sr...8f.png"></span>

 

http://<span><img sr...72.png"></span>

 

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