maxmercy Posted January 30 Author Report Share Posted January 30 You can see here that TDK only clips in one channel, at only two points in the movie: This is the entire movie, all channels, L/R/C/LFE/SL/SR in order 1-6. Just after the one hour mark, the center channel clips in one place (marked in red), and once at the end. TDKR, however, is a different story: As you can see, the screen channels clip nearly throughout the film, followed by the surrounds, then the LFE. It is an utter disaster, and the soundtrack is very loud because of it (one of the loudest I have measured). JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted January 30 Author Report Share Posted January 30 So TDKR was kind of a mess, fidelity-wise. Lots of clipped tops make for a harsh soundtrack. Watching the movies back-to-back and with a surround system (down-mixing to 2.1 unless your AVR is doing it from an LPCM source will introduce dynamic compression by your AVR) is enlightening. I think TDK is one of the best soundtracks around, and TDKR could have been, if someone didn't just turn the gain up until every loud effect clipped. Another reason TDKR got such bad reviews here is this: This is the entire PvA for TDKR. But if you isolate the first 10 minutes: You can see it is a full bandwidth presentation with effects into the single digits. The rest of the film, however, is different: With a significant rolloff under 30Hz. The difference was easily heard and felt in a system that can reproduce under 20Hz. It is as if the ultra low bass knob was simply turned down. If you remember when TDKR was initially in theaters, a special 'Prologue' was released in IMAX theaters 6 months before the movie was released. It is my theory that this prologue was mixed independently and that mix was kept for the final film, and the rest of the film got highpassed when mixed. Unfortunately ALL of it is clipped. One of the worst cases of clipping in a movie I have seen, and heard. The first time I became aware of clipping was in Tron:Legacy, when I saw the BluRay and it was definitely different compared to the theater presentation. The effects dug deeper, but the sound was clipped in many places, confirmed by looking at the waveforms. JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted February 2 Author Report Share Posted February 2 Slowly I will start fixing the links in the first post. All the 5-Star films have correct links now. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 The 4.75 Star Films now have proper links, some images got lost on the PvAs of the 4.5 Star films that I am working on correcting. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted February 7 Author Report Share Posted February 7 4.5 Star Film links are now correct in first post. Vote on Oppenheimer if you get the chance. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeParker92 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 My first exposure to DataBass and I can honestly tell you this thread is a game changer! Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 10 Author Report Share Posted April 10 Thanks! I have updated all of the 4.25 star rated films links in the first post. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 10 Author Report Share Posted April 10 4 Star films now have correct links, and Transformers - Rise of the Beasts is up for voting. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 I'm really out of the loop on the latest bass movies. Have there been many solid 4 to 5 star films in the last couple of years? Most everything seems to be lacking in the really deep stuff lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 Hey Ricci! I have not really been watching films as often as I used to the last few years, partly in fact because I have yet to rebuild the HT since I moved. I have a decently capable temporary HT outfitted with crowson transducers so I can monitor the Infrasonics, and the plan is to be reviewing a few films every month. If anyone has any suggestions for movies of the last few years that you would like evaluated, post the requests in this thread, I'll try to get everything updated so the thread works as it used to. Also now that Mandalorian is out on BluRay, I may get around to measuring it, as some of the episodes sounded like they may have had some great sound design. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 I should have Dune pt1 measured next week. JSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricci Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 I'm much in the same boat MM. Behind on movies. I've been watching mostly docu series and sports lately. I did watch Godzilla Kong and Minus One, both in the theater. There was plenty of bass for sure but whether either truly dug deep or not I can't tell at the local Plex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeParker92 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 On 3/8/2015 at 3:19 PM, nube said: Ragnarok (Norwegian 5.1 DTS-HD MA) Level - 5 Stars (112.56dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.34dB) Execution - 5 Stars (by poll) Overall - 5 Stars!!! Recommendation - Buy (by poll) Notes: I'll be honest - after reading reviews of the bass in various places, I streamed this via Netflix and was not at all impressed. It didn't even wake my girlfriend on a weeknight at my normal listening levels, and I thought the movie was mediocre. However, after all the positive reviews continued to roll in, I grabbed the BR and measured it. I haven't rewatched the disc, but it has fantastic scores. While the mixers left a bunch of really high level DC noise in the mix, that's not the story. The real story here is the TRUCKLOAD of VERY HOT content from 9-25Hz. Almost every scene has something deep in it. I'll wait to cast my vote until I've watched the disc, but this is tentatively vying for the coveted true 5 star rating! PvA: Picked up this Bluray for cheap and really enjoyed this film! Same writer as The Quake and The Wave. You aren't kidding, massive bass in this one. Definitely worth a buy on disc, especially while it's so cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted April 12 Author Report Share Posted April 12 I may have to check this one out. BTW - I got most of the links fixed from the first post. Still need to fix the 3-3.75 star films' links, will hopefully get to it soon. If anyone notices a missing graph on a post, let me know. We lost all of bosso's scenecaps at some point, unfortunately. If anyone has any film requests for measurement, let me know. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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