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#2401 SME

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 08:08 AM

I noticed "Despicable Me" (the original) hasn't been measured yet.  The wife and I watched it last night and enjoyed it immensely.  The sound design is among the best I've heard.  It has great slam and micro-dynamics from the bass to the treble.  I also didn't hear any clipping or evidence of heavy compression.  That doesn't mean it isn't there, but I usually hear at least some trouble in other releases.  This one sounds very clean.  The mixers used strong macro-dynamic swings skillfully to make things sound very powerful.  Subjectively, I think it was a "Level 4" or "5" movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if it measures as a "3".  I don't know how low it goes, but I definitely heard a lot of effects below 30 Hz and down to the limits of my system (15 Hz-ish).

 

Oh yeah.  This one has rockets, and they sound great!  This is a good example of using strong bass dynamics and ULF to give the impression of very high acoustic power instead of using clipping or distortion.

 

In any case, I look forward to seeing the sequel, which I see has been measured here and appears to retain the same positive qualities that I heard in this one.


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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:09 PM

Death Race (5.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

Level        - 3 Stars (108.19dB composite)
Extension - 1 Star (32Hz)
Dynamics - 3 Stars (24.78dB)
Execution - 3 Stars

Overall     - 2.5 Stars

Recommendation - Rent

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:13 PM

Death Race 2 (5.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

Level        - 4 Stars (111.33dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)
Dynamics - 4 Stars (26.87dB)

Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

 

Overall     - 4.25 Stars

Recommendation - Rent (by poll)

 

Notes:  From the outset, this one has effects on screen that are coupled with significant bass below 20Hz.  Many of the effects seem reused, as their specific signatures are seen throughout the measurements.

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:17 PM

Death Race: Inferno (5.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

Level        - 5 Stars (114.9dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (7Hz)
Dynamics - 3 Stars (24.91dB)

Execution - 3 Stars (by poll)

 

Overall     - 4 Stars

Recommendation - Avoid (by poll)

 

Notes:  Most of the effects don't go below 15Hz with authority, but there are a few that dig to 5-7Hz.  Look at those levels!!  Unfortunately, clipping across the LCR + LFE are present with those high levels.  This whole series is very bad, and I don't recommend watching.

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:20 PM

Don't Be Afraid of the Dark (5.1 DTS-HD MA)

Level        - 2 Stars (107.09dB composite)
Extension - 2 Stars (24Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (35.07dB)

Execution - 2 Stars (by poll)

 

Overall     - 2.75 Stars

Recommendation - Rent (by poll)

Notes:  Amazing dynamics, but significantly filtered, and not really a bass movie.  That one effect going to 25Hz is reused several times throughout the movie, at various levels.

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:25 PM

The Lost World: Jurassic Park (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

Level        - 4 Stars (110.55dB composite)
Extension - 1 Star (27Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.94dB)

Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

 

Overall     - 3 Stars

Recommendation - Buy (by poll)

 

Notes:  A Jurassic-sized filter on this one.

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:28 PM

Jurassic Park III (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

Level        - 4 Stars (110.42dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)
Dynamics - 4 Stars (26.92dB)

Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

 

Overall     - 4.25 Stars

Recommendation - Rent (by poll)

 

Notes:  While technically a 5 star movie for extension, it's really got a -10dB point of around 17Hz.  Jurassic-sized hump in the response for those Jurassic footsteps.

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:32 PM

Max Payne (5.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

Level        - 5 Stars (113.13dB composite)
Extension - 2 Stars (24.2Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.61dB)

Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

 

Overall     - 4 Stars

Recommendation - Rent (by poll)

 

Notes:  Loud, but not low.  Significantly filtered at somewhere around 27Hz.

 

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 06:41 PM

Edge of Tomorrow (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

Level        - 5 Stars (113.59dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (9Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.61dB)

Execution - 5 Stars (by poll)

 

Overall     - 5 Stars

Recommendation - Buy (by poll)

 

Notes:  The tones at the beginning are the highest level single tones I've seen in a movie.  If you have a commercial sub, or are gain matched, you'll probably be fine playing them at your normal levels.  If not, and especially if you run subs hot or have ported/IB subs without a strong HPF, be careful at the beginning. 

 

Lots of unfiltered content below 20Hz that gets masked in the graphs by those tones, but it's there.  Very good sound design overall, with only a little bit of clipping.  Mostly it's carefully limited, as seen in the waveforms below.  This is an example of being able to get the most out of the track when designing and mixing.  Very good movie.

 

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Posted 13 October 2014 - 02:53 AM

The Spirit (2008) - 5.1 DTS-HDMA

Level - 3 Stars (109.27dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (33.66dB)
Execution - 4 Stars (tie at 3 & 4 stars)

Overall - 4.25 Stars

Recommendation - Rent


A Frank Miller film in the style of the original Sin City.  While not as good overall, it definitely delivers in the bass department, but the audio is hard-limited at -0dB on LCR/LFE, making for a clipped/compressed-sounding track, but very mild compression compared to today's releases.   Extremely powerful effects and dynamics, worth a watch on a capable system, which is able to do this soundtrack justice in the ULF region.

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 05:55 PM

any measurements for xmen-DOFP that comes out today?



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Posted 14 October 2014 - 08:23 PM

Edge of Tomorrow (7.1 DTS-HD MA)

 

 

Notes:  The tones at the beginning are the highest level single tones I've seen in a movie. 

 

Ok so the people getting all excited saying this was "twice as loud as anything else recorded" weren't actually exaggerating all that much? How is it possible there is headroom for this kind of thing? Haven't you already measured discs that are maxed out, like the Skyfall subway crash. I thought that was at the limit, like 0db. I see on the graph the peak at 10hz is about -8db, does that mean there's another 8db in the tank?



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Posted 14 October 2014 - 08:48 PM

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does that mean there's another 8db in the tank?

Yes.

 

I am sure there are many soundtracks with higher peak level, what makes this one so special is that this is sustained, constant-level tones lasting several seconds.

Many lfe-effects are made up from something that looks more like pink noise - wide frequency bandwidth, and crest factor may be in the range 6-18dB.

The variation in level and wide bandwith makes it rather hard to notice that the subwoofer system is way above its limits; kind of a forgiving signal.

Example: Skyfall subway ("was that meant for me?"-  "No, but this is.."). 

 

Transient effects, like cannons, blasts, have a very short initial peak with very high amplitude.

If the initial high amplitude is clipped or otherwise lmitied, this is not something one will easily notice, as you would need a back-to-back comparison with a reproduction that does not limit to be able to tell that something was lost.

Example: M&C cannons, scene in the middle of the film is the best to notice.


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 09:52 PM

 I see on the graph the peak at 10hz is about -8db, does that mean there's another 8db in the tank?

 

Yes, if a signal is maxed out (0dBFS), a way to make it louder is to place said signal in multiple channels.

The signal is summed together, either by soundwaves in the air if you only use fullrange speakers or in the crossover of say an AVR.

In the crossover the low frequency content of all fullrange channels is summed together with the LFE and then outputted to Sub-out.

 

Therefore, you can have low frecuency signals higher than the max 115dB wich the LFE can have at 0dBFS, when played back at reference level.

In a 7.1 track you can potentially have little over 10dB louder effects if the same signal is encoded, fully maxed, in all channels.



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 02:45 AM

I bought (used at FYE) Hellboy II and 9 to see if i would find some good bass. I like bass that makes the house rattle (first 60 sec of EoT, Flight of the Phoenix, Tron, War of the Worlds, Hurt Locker). I have watched half of each movie (Hellboy II, 9) but have not really experienced wall shaking like the other movies. Can someone point me to the chapters and timestamps where walls rattle like in other movies i listed.

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:05 AM

Yes.

 

I am sure there are many soundtracks with higher peak level, what makes this one so special is that this is sustained, constant-level tones lasting several seconds.

Many lfe-effects are made up from something that looks more like pink noise - wide frequency bandwidth, and crest factor may be in the range 6-18dB.

The variation in level and wide bandwith makes it rather hard to notice that the subwoofer system is way above its limits; kind of a forgiving signal.

Example: Skyfall subway ("was that meant for me?"-  "No, but this is.."). 

 

Transient effects, like cannons, blasts, have a very short initial peak with very high amplitude.

If the initial high amplitude is clipped or otherwise lmitied, this is not something one will easily notice, as you would need a back-to-back comparison with a reproduction that does not limit to be able to tell that something was lost.

Example: M&C cannons, scene in the middle of the film is the best to notice.

 

+1.  Some have come close to pushing the limits of peaks in 7.1, but not sustained tones like EoT has.  That being said, I have not measured FoTP with the new measurement scheme.

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:52 AM

any measurements for xmen-DOFP that comes out today?

 

We are working on it.

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 06:11 AM

That opening scene in "Edge of Tomorrow" looks like a sub-wrecker if I ever saw one!  That 10 Hz tone may even be loud enough to hear on my system with 16 Hz, HPFed ported subs.



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:49 AM

We are working on it.

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:32 PM

XMen: Days of Future Past

 

Level - 3 Stars (109.43dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (4Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (27.54dB)

Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)

Overall - 4.25 Stars

Recommendation - Buy (by poll)

 

* proper decoding accomplished, now a 3 Star level film.

 

It is definitely full-bandwidth, though, and it was very good.

 

 

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