minnjd Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 If maxmercy does a poll for the Martian he should definitely add those graphs onto the numbers I posted a few pages ago. They look nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinemaniac72 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Maybe Ridley Scott got the message on Prometheus and decided that from now on he'll make his big budget films unfiltered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Now all he needs to do is raise the level a bit....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKtheater Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 We could always do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrasonic Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yup. It's got the good but fairly low level throughout. Some good effects. Turn this one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastAudio Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Here's a sneak peak at The Martian. Just giving a heads up on this one: it's unfiltered. Haven't run across anything that is at a crazy high level yet but there seems to be a lot of 10 and under rumble for extended periods that might get some folks into trouble if you run things hot. 0:04:42 0:11:50 0-14-37 Yup. It's got the good but fairly low level throughout. Some good effects. Turn this one up. Yea totally dug this one. And the storyline was great IMO! It's a definite re-watch for me, once my family gives it back when they are done with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastAudio Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Oh, and so when are we going to compile and vote on "Bass movie of 2015?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredhead Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Oh, and so when are we going to compile and vote on "Bass movie of 2015?" I thought it was already a landslide victory for Pixels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Been very busy. I'll get Martian measured, and start to compile a list of 2015 Best films. Good to see Martian not filtered. I do not mind low level at all as long as dynamics were preserved. You can always turn it up. 24-bit sound has such a low noise floor that it makes turning up then level a lot not a big problem. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 minnjd will also be helping measure films going forward, it is much appreciated, as are Shred's scenecaps, which will be included in the poll threads. JSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I actually posted the numbers for The Martian on the last page but I'll repost here since they kinda got buried by the Star Wars/2012 discussion: The Martian-20th Century Fox DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 Sound Design/Supervising Sound Editor: Oliver Tarney Sound Design: Michael Fentum Mixing: Paul Massey, Mark Taylor, Dafydd Archard Level - 3 Stars (109.29dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (33.46dB) Execution - TBA Overall - TBA Ridley Scott's newest Sci-Fi soundtrack is a lot like Prometheus in that the bass is restrained and often subtle, but unlike Prometheus it makes up for it's low level with some semi strong ULF rumbles down in the 10Hz region. These rumbles appear to be deliberately placed as they accompany most of the 'uncomfortable' scenes in the movie (such as when Matt Damon operates on himself). Most of the 'big' effects (such as they are) are full bandwidth and extend all the way into single digits with virtually no rolloff. No clipping on any channel and the dynamic range is pretty good, so if the low level is an issue, just bump your sub by a few dB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 As threatened Super 8-Paramount Pictures Dolby TrueHD 7.1 Sound Design: Ben Burtt, Gary Rydstrom Supervising Sound Editors: Ben Burtt, Matthew Wood Re-Recording Mixers: Anna Behlmer, Andy Nelson, Tom Johnson, Christopher Scarabosio, Juan Peralta, Jim Bolt Level - 4 Stars (112.46 dB) Extension - 2 Stars (21 Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (33.77 dB) Execution - TBD Overall - TBD There's always been a lot of discussion and controversy over Super 8's low end and whether it was filtered, mainly due to some underwhelming effects during the train derailment scene. Well, the graphs don't lie, and Super 8 is indeed steeply filtered starting around 28 Hz. In fact, it is so steeply filtered that it's -10dB extension point is only 8 Hz below that. That's some heavy duty EQ'ing. To be fair there are some solid impact effects in the 25-30 Hz region that really light up the spectrum (see below), but they aren't backed up by any real ULF so they end up being a bit of a missed opportunity. To add insult to injury, the track clips heavily during any loud section: It pains me to say that this is a great.......ly depressing preview of the same clipped, ULF-less mess that graced ST:ID a few years later. It's even more depressing when you realize that most of the sound crew for Super 8 also worked on JJ's first Star Trek and it's five star MWB soundtrack. Why they decided to chuck out their solid technique from that movie and embrace the "Death Magnetic" style of mixing for this one is a mystery. Bonus observation: Those that hate bass ramp sound FX will have a seizure over this movie. They are all over the place and occur frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemX Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I love Super-8 as a film but bottom end is a letdown Will look forward to the Martian getting cheap so I can buy it! lol EDIT: Ooh, I forgot - I watched Automota the other night. Pretty good film and I liked the sound design. I don't think it's been measured yet (although I can't see the GoogleDocs spreadsheet on this laptop as, you know, I might be trying to give away all my workplace data so can't possibly be allowed to even look at a file sharing site ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossobass Dave Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Super 8 Sound is the worst of any Sci-Fi movie ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgage Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Been very busy. I'll get Martian measured, and start to compile a list of 2015 Best films. Good to see Martian not filtered. I do not mind low level at all as long as dynamics were preserved. You can always turn it up. 24-bit sound has such a low noise floor that it makes turning up then level a lot not a big problem. JSS Depends on the level of said low level dynamics. I'd prefer the sound engineer to realize when they leave a 6 Hz fundamental in the mix and it is 10dB hot. <*COUGH*> Lone Survivor <*COUGH*> Maybe if more people owned subwoofers capable of reproducing those levels...yeah...that's how we can solve this problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunkePer Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Anyone's got any news on Spectre? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredhead Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 The Martian DTS-HD MA 7.1 0:04:42 0:08:25 0:11:50 0:14:27 0:26:21 1:04:20 1:56:09 2:06:18 See waveform analysis: http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/425-analyzing-waveforms-of-heavy-hitting-movies/?p=12151 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossobass Dave Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Thanks for the digits caps, Paul. I just made an animation of the MAV liftoff mic'd vs the digits version. We LOVED the movie, glaring plot holes and all. This scene at reference with the subs bumped +5dB made the experience truly awesome. It was exactly like being in the MAV with Watney. The animation is a slow fade from the mic'd version to the digits version. Notice the dip in response at the mic between 60-70 Hz and what I'm missing <4 Hz from digits to seats. I can't imagine what having that strong 2-4 Hz content would add to the experience in my HT, but getting everything to 4 Hz was stunning, PQ, visual FX and audio. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmercy Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Spectre coming this weekend. JSS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuxedocivic Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Can't wait to watch Spectre. Been to busy to get to it which is not like me for a Bond movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 According to Hi Def Digest Spectre has some pretty good bass so we'll see what the numbers say...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kvalsvoll Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 According to Hi Def Digest Spectre has some pretty good bass so we'll see what the numbers say...... Yes, according to above post this really has some heavy bass to challenge the soundbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnjd Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes, according to above post this really has some heavy bass to challenge the soundbar. *rimshot* Yeah, chalk up another one to the 'peak at 30Hz' loudness war. Although it does look like it has more in the ULF range than many filtered tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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