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  1. This is the first of it's kind objective measurement tool for comparing the bass in movies - it's totally apples-to-apples. (The measurement methodology AND content below 2.5 Stars is at the bottom of this post.) No longer do you have to rely on some website's review of the bass in a movie. Who can decipher what "aplomb" and "bombastic" and "incredibly deep" and "teeth-rattling" and "room-shuddering" really mean, anyway? Now you don't have to. The links below will take you to each movie's measurements. If a link doesn't take you to the right measurement, reload the browser by hitting F5 or just click on the address bar and hit "Enter." If you find a bad link, post about it and we'll investigate! Updated December 12, 2015 - Here's a Google docs spreadsheet with the current list. To sort, goto View-->List. 5-Star Films: 9 Edge of Tomorrow Everly Flight of the Phoenix Hellboy II: The Golden Army Pixels Ragnarok Star Trek War Horse 4.75-Star Films: All Is Lost Beowulf Captain America - The Winter Soldier Dredd Ender's Game The Golden Compass Hanna How to Train Your Dragon The Hurt Locker The Incredible Hulk Jupiter Ascending Kick-Ass 2 Live Free or Die Hard Lone Survivor Looper Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol Olympus Has Fallen Phantom Pompeii Pulse Resident Evil: Apocalypse Serenity Skyfall The Terror Live The Three Musketeers (2011) Valkyrie War of the Worlds 4.5-Star Films: 28 Weeks Later 300: Rise of an Empire 5 Days of War Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter After Earth The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Attack the Block Battle: Los Angeles Brave Cloverfield Conan the Barbarian (2011) Crank: High Voltage Daredevil The Dark Knight The Day After Tomorrow Drive Elektra Elysium Exodus: Gods and Kings The Expendables 3 Finding Nemo Gamer Getaway The Grandmaster (CHI) Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix The Iceman Insurgent Jurassic World Kon-Tiki The Man with the Iron Fists The Matrix Revolutions Ninja Assassin Oblivion Oculus Oz the Great and Powerful Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief Sherlock Holmes Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (DTS) Solomon Kane Superman Returns Thor 2: The Dark World Trollhunter Underworld Awakening Walking With Dinosaurs (2013) X-Men 3 4.25-Star Films: 10,000 B.C. A Good Day to Die Hard The Admiral: Roaring Currents Adventures in Zambezia The Amazing Spider-Man Assassin's Bullet Avatar Batman Begins Black Hawk Down Bullet to the Head Captain America: The First Avenger Casino Royale Cat Run 2 Chappie Clash of the Titans The Conjuring The Dark Knight Rises Dead in Tombstone Death Race 2 Earth to Echo Evil Dead The Exorcism of Emily Rose The Expendables 2 The Grandmaster (USA) The Grey The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Homefront Horton Hears a Who Hot Fuzz Immortals Inception The Incredibles Jack the Giant Slayer John Wick Jurassic Park III Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring (BR Ext Ed) Mad Max: Fury Road Maleficent The Maze Runner Monsters, Inc. Monsters University The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones Need For Speed Ninja Non-Stop Open Range Paranoia Pearl Harbor Piranha 3D Quantom of Solace The Raid 2: Berandal Ratatouille Resident Evil: Afterlife Rise of the Planet of the Apes Running Scared Rush Scott Pilgrim Vs. the World Seventh Son Shaun of the Dead Sin City Sin City 2 Snowpiercer Star Wars: A New Hope Total Recall Transformers Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Triangle Tron: Legacy U-571 World War Z The World's End X-Men X-Men 2 X-Men: Days of Future Past X-Men: First Class 4-Star Films: 3:10 to Yuma The Bourne Legacy The Bourne Ultimatum Children of Men Commando Constantine Crank Death Race: Inferno Despicable Me 2 Escape Plan Fight Club GI Joe: Retaliation Gravity Hercules Inside Iron Man 2 Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit Jarhead Kick-Ass Knight and Day Knowing Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return LOTR: The Return of the King (BR Ext Ed) The Machine Max Payne Monster House Ninja: Shadow of a Tear (aka Ninja 2) Noah Pacific Rim (7.1 DTS-HD MA) The Railway Man Real Steel Resident Evil: Retribution Stalingrad Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Terminator Salvation Thor Toy Story 2 Toy Story 3 Transformers: Age of Extinction Wall-E The Wolverine (7.1 DTS-HD Unleashed Ext Ed) 3.75-Star Films: 3 Days to Kill Alien Vs. Predator The Art of Flight Babylon A.D. Bears Bee Movie Bolt Bullet Captain Phillips Cars Don Jon The Fast and the Furious 6 Green Lantern Guardians of the Galaxy Happy Feet Hellboy Hitman Ice Age Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs Insidious Chapter 2 Interstellar Into the Woods Iron Man Jarhead 2 Jurassic Park Kingsman: The Secret Service Kung Fu Panda Limitless LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring (Theatrical BR) LOTR: The Two Towers (BR Ext Ed) The Lords of Salem Machete Kills Megamind The Raid: Redemption Rambo (2008 Theatrical) Robocop (2014) Seal Team Eight The Simpsons Movie Sinister Star Trek Into Darkness The Watch Watchmen Wrath of the Titans X-Men Origins: Wolverine 3.5-Star Films: 13 Sins 30 Days of Night The A-Team Act of Valor Alien Abduction Australia Baraka Blue Crush The Croods Dr. Seuss' The Lorax The Equalizer The Frozen Ground Fruitvale Station Fury Godzilla (2014) Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies Hulk The Hunger Games: Catching Fire The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 I, Robot Ice Age: The Meltdown King Kong (2005) The Legend of Hercules The Lego Movie The Losers Lucy Man of Steel Man of Tai Chi The Man With the Iron Fists 2 The Matrix Reloaded Mission Impossible III The Monuments Men Pain and Gain Paranormal Activity The Marked Ones Robocop Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows Speed Racer Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (BR) Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (BR) Sunshine Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014) This Is the End Titan AE (DVD) Transformers: Dark of the Moon Underworld: Rise of the Lycans Unstoppable You're Next Zero Dark Thirty 3.25-Star Films: 21 Jump Street American Sniper The Art of the Steal Avengers Avengers: Age of Ultron Batman: Under the Red Hood Black Sea The Book Thief Carrie (2013) Cowboys & Aliens Domino The Double Eragon Ex Machina The Family Frankenstein's Army Gangster Squad The Great Gatsby (2013) Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince The Hunger Games I, Frankenstein Into the Storm Iron Man 3 Knights of Badassdom The Last Days On Mars Marley McCanick Minority Report Out of the Furnace Planes Prometheus Reasonable Doubt Rio Runner Runner Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (BR) Taken 2 Toy Story Turbo Veronica Mars The Movie 3-Star Films: 2 Guns A Touch of Sin Battleship Big Hero 6 Blade Runner Brick Mansions The Cabin in the Woods Chronicle Dawn of the Planet of the Apes Die Hard District 9 Epic Frozen Haunter The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Ice Age: Continental Drift The International The Internship Jumper The Lone Ranger The Lost World: Jurassic Park Man On Fire Master & Commander (BR) Red 2 Resident Evil: Extinction Riddick Ride Along Saving Private Ryan Vampire Academy 2.75-Star Films: 28 Days Later Blood Ties Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2 Devil's Due Die Another Day Don't Be Afraid of the Dark Dracula Untold Grudge Match Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone How to Train Your Dragon 2 I Am Number Four The Matrix Metallica Through the Never Paddington Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters Planes: Fire and Rescue Resident Evil R.I.P.D. Whiplash 2.5-Star Films: The Babadook Bad Country Death Race Divergent The Fifth Element The Natural Rio 2
  2. Replacement AVR / processor

    Madael, I am so glad I got rid of that Sherbourn. Handshake issues, noise floor issues, it was not worth what I paid, even on sale. I love my Denon Pro equipment, both the BluRay player and the DN-500AV. I have the older 500 version (the 700 version has some internal amplification in one version, and preamp only in another, and bluetooth internally), but it is a terrific piece of equipment. The only drawback is 7.1 only. No overhead channels yet in the pro lineup. The Pro still clips a summed LFE if you drive it hard. It is very easy to just turn the gain down some on the LFE/Sub summed out to avoid any clipping. I would have to check where I have mine set at, but I remember testing very carefully to ensure no clipping, even with WCS (Worst Case Scenario) tracks. JSS
  3. Even the newer Danley Fireworks files I can find are clipped. I wish we had access to clean versions. JSS
  4. Crowsons and even speakers should be fine, like SME said, the LFE channel will have a lowpass that smooths out the corners. I really only found sharp corners objectionable on a few films. Tron:Legacy and Star Trek:Into Deafness were the two that are the worst standouts. But many films clip. Many times it is not objectionable. For instance, both Iron Man and Iron Man 2 clip a lot whenever the repulsors are firing, but I never found it problematic, as the closest thing to repulsors are jet engines, which clip our ears. But when you clip a violin, or something that is very familiar, it just sounds wrong. Star Trek 2009, for all its accolades, clips the warp booms (WTF are they 'supposed' to sound like?). But they still sound great. At the same time, the film clips hardly anything else. JSS
  5. I can't remember who gets credit for that one, but I didn't originate it. That was one clipped mess. It was horrible. JSS
  6. So much EDM and DnB is a clipped mess (often intentionally), that I think we are almost conditioned to accept it as a fact of life. Some of my fav bass drum hits in some EDM have lots of flat tops.... You cannot ask more of a sound system than to playback what is on the disc, clipped or not. JSS
  7. I watched Kong at -7dBRef (Reference Level per se for my size room, with -0dB set at 85dBC calibration), and no bad noises, but I expected some flat tops based on the listening experience. Not as bad as the 'lunge for the volume control' as in Tron:Legacy, and DEFINITELY not as bad as Star Trek:Into Deafness.... According to MrEdge's graph, GoTG2 has less of a rolloff than the original. That is a good thing. I do not use an LT boost anymore to watch films, as I get very little room gain in the new room. The Crowsons did get a workout, though. JSS
  8. Kong: Skull Island (Dolby ATMOS) Level - 4 Stars (111.38dB composite) Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz) Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.84dB) Execution - TBD Overall - TBD Notes - This film delivers bass in spades, especially in the shake-and-move-stuff wheelhouse range of 12-25Hz. Clipping analysis shows flat tops in nearly every channel, Center is most egregious, but all the clipping appears to have rounded edges as if some sort of limiting was put in place like Pixels, so not completely objectionable, like Tron:Legacy clipping was. LFE channel clips with sharp corners, but low-pass filtering will smooth them out. Better movie than anticipated, but it almost always seems that way when you expect nothing from a film. Good surround use, good soundtrack. BEQ should make this a structure-endangerer. JSS
  9. Real life sounds - instantaneous loudness

    Interest confirmed. I have found that in my last room, on a concrete slab, I could hear 8-10Hz without a tactile sensation. It was a 'pressure', more than a 'sound', almost as if your head was submerged in liquid. You can see the drivers moving, but can barely 'hear' anything, no floor shaking or pants-flapping, yet it sounded different. Under 5Hz, I didn't hear anything, just saw cones moving, and probably not enough to be audible (my system is not that capable). JSS
  10. I wish REW had a "show all traces" for the Excess Group Delay window. That way, you know what freq ranges IIR filtering can be used for correction. Another would be an standard deviation or variance trace under the average trace whenever an average is calculated. I may need to post this info on the REW forum. JSS
  11. SME, How do you spatially average? I know REW has an average all traces function, but do you utilize that function and take more measurements near MLP to prioritize, or another way? JSS
  12. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Kong: Skull Island may be amenable to BEQ..... JSS
  13. (4) Sealed 21": Funk Audio UH-21v1

    Very interesting, I'll have to try something like it. So for every dB up on the low shelf, the high shelf shifts down? I have a request, SME. On the BEQ thread, you noted the Vader ship coming out of hyperspace was a terrific transient. Since you can adjust your DSP essentially on the fly, can you try that effect with and without a 10-15Hz highpass to see if the <10Hz content is really making a difference in a transient like that one? JSS
  14. Etymotics to the rescue! I need to find a true IMAX to see it in, though. JSS
  15. Oh man....that sucks. I remember re-doing all the links when the data-bass was small and the first post was deleted, then nube re-did all the links about a year after that. I really don't have time to do it again. JSS
  16. (4) Sealed 21": Funk Audio UH-21v1

    I no longer boost my subs down low chasing a flat freq response. I just use the crowsons for the <10Hz stuff (and sometimes significant amounts above 10Hz, esp at lower SPL listening). JSS
  17. Bulding the Room2 listening room

    That would be terrific. JSS
  18. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Favorite effects in TF2: . Sideswipe introduction . Bumblebee's cannon (several times in the film) . Megatron powering up/resurrecting . Megatron greets Starscream aboard the derelict spacecraft . Shard powers up Jetfire . The 'pillars' tumble down . M1 Tank main gun fires under the slow-motion Medevac Huey At the cinema cinema, still the most overall slam I have ever experienced in a film (as well as the second-highest overall loudness in a cinema). Highlights were the Sideswipe intro, the rail gun, Megatron's coup de grace shot through Optimus. The film comes in two versions: The standard and Big Screen editions. The Big Screen Edition is the IMAX mix, and uses Dialnorm. The standard edition does not and is +4dB comparatively. They graph similarly, but are slightly different mixes. JSS
  19. (4) Sealed 21": Funk Audio UH-21v1

    I would be curious to see what your findings are for house curves at different listening levels for good impact.....My crowsons give me all the infrasound 'shake' (but none of the 'pressure/underwater' sensation) I lost from my last room, but I am missing some of the impact from my last room's final iteration, that had quite a good impulse response. Much of that is due to the new room and utter lack of ceiling treatment. JSS
  20. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Then try doing BEQ and report back what you think about the corrections. It looks like the 'Pre-Amp' stage you would put in what I do for the 'Gain' portion of BEQ, and then fill in the filters for each channel. Rogue One BEQ is pretty awesome. JSS
  21. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Does EqualizerAPO have a means to change the slope of shelf filters? JSS
  22. Bulding the Room2 listening room

    I apparently have to build that sound velocity meter....I went from two large horns to a multiple sealed build, and my experiences are a little different, but I never measured the sound velocity differences. The horn-loaded system (for same SPL), had slightly more impact, but the sealed system was nearly as impactful especially once the plinth bass traps were in place, and I moved all 8 of the sealed subs to the front wall. When I ran the sealed setup with front wall subs + nearfields, the ULF was better, but the 'slam' was not as good. Currently my room is a huge compromise, and I run a corner-screen with lots of behind-screen/front corner absorption and the subs in an arc with the center of the arc just behind the MLP. I need to build that sound velocity meter and measure. JSS