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  1. This is the first of it's kind objective measurement tool for comparing the bass in movies - it's totally apples-to-apples. (The measurement methodology AND content below 2.5 Stars is at the bottom of this post.) No longer do you have to rely on some website's review of the bass in a movie. Who can decipher what "aplomb" and "bombastic" and "incredibly deep" and "teeth-rattling" and "room-shuddering" really mean, anyway? Now you don't have to. The links below will take you to each movie's measurements. If a link doesn't take you to the right measurement, reload the browser by hitting F5 or just click on the address bar and hit "Enter." If you find a bad link, post about it and we'll investigate! Updated December 12, 2015 - Here's a Google docs spreadsheet with the current list. To sort, goto View-->List. 5-Star Films: 9 Edge of Tomorrow Everly Flight of the Phoenix Hellboy II: The Golden Army Pixels Ragnarok Star Trek War Horse 4.75-Star Films: All Is Lost Beowulf Captain America - The Winter Soldier Dredd Ender's Game The Golden Compass Hanna How to Train Your Dragon The Hurt Locker The Incredible Hulk Jupiter Ascending Kick-Ass 2 Live Free or Die Hard Lone Survivor Looper Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol Olympus Has Fallen Phantom Pompeii Pulse Resident Evil: Apocalypse Serenity Skyfall The Terror Live The Three Musketeers (2011) Valkyrie War of the Worlds 4.5-Star Films: 28 Weeks Later 300: Rise of an Empire 5 Days of War Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter After Earth The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Attack the Block Battle: Los Angeles Brave Cloverfield Conan the Barbarian (2011) Crank: High Voltage Daredevil The Dark Knight The Day After Tomorrow Drive Elektra Elysium Exodus: Gods and Kings The Expendables 3 Finding Nemo Gamer Getaway The Grandmaster (CHI) Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix The Iceman Insurgent Jurassic World Kon-Tiki The Man with the Iron Fists The Matrix Revolutions Ninja Assassin Oblivion Oculus Oz the Great and Powerful Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief Sherlock Holmes Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (DTS) Solomon Kane Superman Returns Thor 2: The Dark World Trollhunter Underworld Awakening Walking With Dinosaurs (2013) X-Men 3 4.25-Star Films: 10,000 B.C. A Good Day to Die Hard The Admiral: Roaring Currents Adventures in Zambezia The Amazing Spider-Man Assassin's Bullet Avatar Batman Begins Black Hawk Down Bullet to the Head Captain America: The First Avenger Casino Royale Cat Run 2 Chappie Clash of the Titans The Conjuring The Dark Knight Rises Dead in Tombstone Death Race 2 Earth to Echo Evil Dead The Exorcism of Emily Rose The Expendables 2 The Grandmaster (USA) The Grey The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Homefront Horton Hears a Who Hot Fuzz Immortals Inception The Incredibles Jack the Giant Slayer John Wick Jurassic Park III Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring (BR Ext Ed) Mad Max: Fury Road Maleficent The Maze Runner Monsters, Inc. Monsters University The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones Need For Speed Ninja Non-Stop Open Range Paranoia Pearl Harbor Piranha 3D Quantom of Solace The Raid 2: Berandal Ratatouille Resident Evil: Afterlife Rise of the Planet of the Apes Running Scared Rush Scott Pilgrim Vs. the World Seventh Son Shaun of the Dead Sin City Sin City 2 Snowpiercer Star Wars: A New Hope Total Recall Transformers Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Triangle Tron: Legacy U-571 World War Z The World's End X-Men X-Men 2 X-Men: Days of Future Past X-Men: First Class 4-Star Films: 3:10 to Yuma The Bourne Legacy The Bourne Ultimatum Children of Men Commando Constantine Crank Death Race: Inferno Despicable Me 2 Escape Plan Fight Club GI Joe: Retaliation Gravity Hercules Inside Iron Man 2 Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit Jarhead Kick-Ass Knight and Day Knowing Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return LOTR: The Return of the King (BR Ext Ed) The Machine Max Payne Monster House Ninja: Shadow of a Tear (aka Ninja 2) Noah Pacific Rim (7.1 DTS-HD MA) The Railway Man Real Steel Resident Evil: Retribution Stalingrad Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Terminator Salvation Thor Toy Story 2 Toy Story 3 Transformers: Age of Extinction Wall-E The Wolverine (7.1 DTS-HD Unleashed Ext Ed) 3.75-Star Films: 3 Days to Kill Alien Vs. Predator The Art of Flight Babylon A.D. Bears Bee Movie Bolt Bullet Captain Phillips Cars Don Jon The Fast and the Furious 6 Green Lantern Guardians of the Galaxy Happy Feet Hellboy Hitman Ice Age Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs Insidious Chapter 2 Interstellar Into the Woods Iron Man Jarhead 2 Jurassic Park Kingsman: The Secret Service Kung Fu Panda Limitless LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring (Theatrical BR) LOTR: The Two Towers (BR Ext Ed) The Lords of Salem Machete Kills Megamind The Raid: Redemption Rambo (2008 Theatrical) Robocop (2014) Seal Team Eight The Simpsons Movie Sinister Star Trek Into Darkness The Watch Watchmen Wrath of the Titans X-Men Origins: Wolverine 3.5-Star Films: 13 Sins 30 Days of Night The A-Team Act of Valor Alien Abduction Australia Baraka Blue Crush The Croods Dr. Seuss' The Lorax The Equalizer The Frozen Ground Fruitvale Station Fury Godzilla (2014) Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies Hulk The Hunger Games: Catching Fire The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 I, Robot Ice Age: The Meltdown King Kong (2005) The Legend of Hercules The Lego Movie The Losers Lucy Man of Steel Man of Tai Chi The Man With the Iron Fists 2 The Matrix Reloaded Mission Impossible III The Monuments Men Pain and Gain Paranormal Activity The Marked Ones Robocop Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows Speed Racer Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (BR) Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (BR) Sunshine Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014) This Is the End Titan AE (DVD) Transformers: Dark of the Moon Underworld: Rise of the Lycans Unstoppable You're Next Zero Dark Thirty 3.25-Star Films: 21 Jump Street American Sniper The Art of the Steal Avengers Avengers: Age of Ultron Batman: Under the Red Hood Black Sea The Book Thief Carrie (2013) Cowboys & Aliens Domino The Double Eragon Ex Machina The Family Frankenstein's Army Gangster Squad The Great Gatsby (2013) Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince The Hunger Games I, Frankenstein Into the Storm Iron Man 3 Knights of Badassdom The Last Days On Mars Marley McCanick Minority Report Out of the Furnace Planes Prometheus Reasonable Doubt Rio Runner Runner Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (BR) Taken 2 Toy Story Turbo Veronica Mars The Movie 3-Star Films: 2 Guns A Touch of Sin Battleship Big Hero 6 Blade Runner Brick Mansions The Cabin in the Woods Chronicle Dawn of the Planet of the Apes Die Hard District 9 Epic Frozen Haunter The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Ice Age: Continental Drift The International The Internship Jumper The Lone Ranger The Lost World: Jurassic Park Man On Fire Master & Commander (BR) Red 2 Resident Evil: Extinction Riddick Ride Along Saving Private Ryan Vampire Academy 2.75-Star Films: 28 Days Later Blood Ties Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2 Devil's Due Die Another Day Don't Be Afraid of the Dark Dracula Untold Grudge Match Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone How to Train Your Dragon 2 I Am Number Four The Matrix Metallica Through the Never Paddington Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters Planes: Fire and Rescue Resident Evil R.I.P.D. Whiplash 2.5-Star Films: The Babadook Bad Country Death Race Divergent The Fifth Element The Natural Rio 2
  2. Mr Edge, Thanks for the Blade Runner PvA! It looks like the rolloff is similar to the 5.1 version on the prior home release. JSS
  3. The Last Jedi - I agree with both reviews above re: plot and pacing, with some impressive plot holes/inconsistencies thrown in for convenient 'timing' of scenes. It sounds like lots of focus groups and executive (above director level) decisions may have hampered the end product, if I had to guess....or maybe not? I would not want to be a director on an upcoming SW film, especially the 'Episode' films. I would guess directors would get a little more creative leeway with the 'Anthology' series of films. Making a film that "can't fail" often means you can get a definitively mediocre product in the process. But the sound....I was fortunate. I had a terrific sounding system at the theater I saw it in. It was played back at '6' on the Dolby Box, or 82dBC, and it sounded clean, cleaner than anything I have heard in a few years, and not fatiguing or shrill. Neither my wife nor I EVER reached for the Etymotics we always have on hand when going to the cinema after the hearing damage I am certain I sustained at 'Skyfall' at the local LieMAX (around 3 mos after it was announced LieMAX was using Audyssey XT32 to calibrate their theaters). The fact that neither of us felt any fatigue at 82dBC usually means a decently clean presentation. The projection side of things had significant errors in color alignment, and the theater promised to look into it. We'll see if they fixed it when I take my son to see the film. The theater was hampered by the typical <30Hz subwoofer rolloff, and was only in 5.1, but I heard some definitive high-20Hz content, particularly in the score. Like others above said, the great 'moments' in the film almost made up for the strange pacing and awkward one-liners, (but with no Han Solo onscreen, SOMEONE had to step up!), and I had more to say about the good points than the bad points of the film on the drive home. Saw it on opening night. At least 12 spontaneous applause events, with 3-4 full blown cheers during the film (both a rarity nowadays, IME). I'm apparently not the only one who thought the 'moments' were good. Star Wars has often been called a space opera. Maybe all those strange pacing decisions were the recitatives we had to put up with to get to the arias in the film..... JSS
  4. Good "bass tester" for Xbox-360

    The original HALO had some great punch, especially for the plasma grenades. But for rumble, the original Star Wars: Battlefront (Xbox version) has a significant amount of LFE, especially if you are able to trip up a walker on Hoth. The XBox360 startup screen also has some ~20Hz content JSS
  5. Some of the thumbnails noted in prior posts that do not lead to full-size PvAs will hopefully have their images available again soon. JSS
  6. BB and TDK were not nearly as bad as the ‘epiphany’ Nolan had with TDKR and nearly every film of his since...while I can appreciate the ‘wall of sound’ effect, it is best used sparingly for even greater effect. JSS PS - If the biggest warp effect in ST:Into Deafness was unclipped (It was!), you KNOW good sound can be unclipped as well. While I completely understand the ‘flat tops’ for effect, I cannot abide slamming into 0dBFS with reckless abandon and literally clipping away information. Put the flat tops at -0.1dB and watch your signal levels to avoid losing information. Or use analog compression or soft limiting. But it has been said before: “What can I say? Director’s Intent is Director’s Intent.”
  7. Agreed, one need not look past Frankenstein's Army to 'experience' that. One of my favorite mixes PvA is not that awesome. The movie Drive. SME, I have yet to audition GOTG2 BEQ, but will when I have a chance to listen at spirited levels. I have some cleanup and backlog to do on this thread and this forum, bear with me. JSS
  8. I thought the film had good midbass impact (when it was used). Here's a prelim BEQ Pre-Post: I'll see if it is any good this week... JSS
  9. Valerian & the City of a Thousand Planets (ATMOS) Level: 3 Stars (110.06dB composite) Extension: 3 Stars (18Hz) Dynamics: 5 Stars (32.13dB!) Execution: TBD Overall: TBD Notes: Decent film, may need a BEQ. Will update this post with a clipping analysis when completed.
  10. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    What did it look like on a log scale? JSS
  11. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Leave the 30Hz notch in and let me know what you think with/without the notch corrected. JSS
  12. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Yes, the summed result can sometimes be higher than a worst case scenario, when played back at Equivalent Reference. I check for it anytime I do a BEQ. I have not used MSO, but it sounds promising, at least for a good first guess. My long processing times used to be MUCH longer until one of the forum members here helped me out. I am limited on speed mainly by the current hard drive and memory. I am not using a new machine by any means, but it works well, and can run some of the old cmd line programs I need to do what I do with the tracks. I also do a lot in Audacity, and have had to modify several of the plugins to suit my purposes. I'm sure there are better tools out there. When I am doing BEQ, I generally run a trial solution while I do something else, then check the result later, so I really don't spend a lot of time waiting. JSS
  13. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Final pre-post level-matched: JSS
  14. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    The headroom check reveals that the BEQ version of the film played back at +7dBRef (Equivalent dialogue reference), no instantaneous signal peak is higher than 125.4dB. Largest 'extended' peak (125ms) is 118.6dB. Comparison PvA coming later. JSS
  15. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    I still have to do a headroom sanity check on the overall film, but I will. Only 4-5 films I have re-done have ended up with any >128dB effects when played back at 85dBRef (+7dB on the MV). rant/ Most films are VERY tolerant of BEQ, which has led me to believe that it is possible to have unclipped, dynamic, full-bandwidth presentations if someone takes the time to create a film soundtrack properly the first time. We unfortunately have few examples of this. So much of the problem is that most exhibitors will not playback films at Reference; too many complaints of "it's too loud". This sometimes forces mixers to mix films under reference, knowing their films will not be played back at Ref Level, esp for dialogue driven films. To get loudness under reference level, you have to compress/clip loud passages to keep dialogue loud and clear enough if you mix significantly under Ref. What happens if a film mixed under reference is played back AT reference level? LOUD/COMPRESSED/CLIPPED Hell. It can be even worse for HT 'home mixes' depending on the playback system and Ref Level it is mixed at. Was it optimized for soundbar, TV speaker,s, HTIB, or decent HT setup playback? And let us not forget about 'Director's Intent'. I'm talking to you, Chris Nolan, ever since 'The Dark Knight' (though I hold out hope for 'Dunkirk'), and you, Joseph Kosinski (who admitted to messing with 'Tron:Legacy's BD mix, and the clipped hell it was in every channel save for LFE). But I also have to thank Joseph Kosinski. Without Tron:Legacy's obvious clipping, I would have never tried to find out how to look for clipping in a soundtrack. I am just glad we get some decent mixes every now and then. Too many variables at play, and not many (if any) standards followed, with so many various powerful interests at play. /rant JSS
  16. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Anywhere from 4-12 hours per film, with about 1/2 that time just waiting for processing to happen as I think about how to do the next trial solution. Pacific Rim took me several days. That filter was steep and hard to correct. It does get easier, though. I have done around 50 or so films and 30 or so DTS/THX/Dolby trailers. JSS
  17. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Finally, LFE pre-post: About 7 iterations to get this one right, as headroom was at a premium. Turns out my first guess was closest to my final solution. As I expected, <10Hz is highpassed away, only able to be brought back by ever increasing negative gains before BEQ. Tentative LFE Solution: Gain -7dB Low Shelf 18Hz Q=0.707 +5.25dB Low Shelf 18Hz Q=0.707 +5.25dB Low Shelf 18Hz Q=0.707 +5.25dB SME, if you can input that into your incredible DSP, I'd be interested in what you think of the solution. JSS
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    Left Channel Pre-Post: I think that is a pretty good solution, at least one worth trying out for LCRS. I'll work on LFE later today, and have a tentative full solution. LCRS tentative solution: Gain -7dB Shelf Filter 30Hz, Q=0.707, Gain=6 Shelf Filter 30Hz, Q=0.707, Gain=6 Shelf Filter 30Hz, Q=0.707, Gain=6 Shelf Filter 12Hz Q=0.707, Gain=6 Shelf Filter 12Hz Q=0.707, Gain=6 PK EQ 31Hz, Q=2.871, Gain=6 PK EQ 31Hz, Q=2.871, Gain=6 I have found in practice I get smoother, more predicatble curves with multiple +6dB or lower steps than with one big filter, especially when using higher Q values, so in this case, this solution could be made into just 3 filters and a gain change. YMMV. JSS
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    Center pre-post, looks like a decent solution: The shelves and dip cleaned up nicely. I usually shoot for a flat peak graph, I have found it sounds better than correcting for the avg graph. Others may differ. JSS
  20. Replacement AVR / processor

    Let us know what you think when you receive it. SME/Kvalsvoll, I would be interested in hearing each of your strategies for Sub/LCRS integration...perhaps another thread? JSS
  21. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Back Surrounds: Looks like only 2-3 solutions needed, one for LFE, one for LCRS and if you want, one for LCR and a separate one for Surrounds. The more I look at these graphs, the more I think someone heard the LCRS 'farting' with the content and pulled ~30Hz down to keep it sounding 'clean'. JSS
  22. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Surround Left and Right Similar treatment to these , but maybe a bit more de-shelving from 40-60Hz, depending on how the back surrounds look. I basically try to match the PvAs from my favorite, unfiltered films, and it usually does the trick very well (but sometimes fails). JSS
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    Right/Left: Probably will receive same correction as Center, as is usually the case. Shelve up 10-30 to meet 40+ and then look at the dip. I like it when tracks use the upper bass, like that 140Hz hit at -7dB...it generally makes a BEQ better if there is already a lot of upper bass present JSS
  24. The Bass EQ for Movies Thread

    Center and LFE: At first glance, Center will be probably easy. Shelve up the 10-30Hz range to nearly meet 40Hz and up. Then look at the 30Hz Dip. The LFE will prove similarly easy from 30-10Hz, but below that diminishing returns, as it looks like a highpass was added under 10Hz, around 7Hz if I had to guess. JSS